BildeThose acts of God really stick it in and break it off. The well known American chopper builder Billy Lane of Choppers Inc (website is down atm.) was involved in an accident with his truck and a 56 year old motorcycle rider got killed. So far there’s no news about the condition of Billy Lane and his passenger, other than they are in the hospital. The truck looks pretty messed up, I sincerely hope this accident will claim no more lives. One is bad enough. My thoughts go to the loved ones of the biker that got killed, I am truly sorry. The Beachcruiser is trying to find out what happened you can learn more of this unfortunate situation there.

UPDATE! Here is an article and video about the event. It implies that Lane might have been under the influence. I refuse to believe that.

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591 Responses to “Chopper builder Billy Lane involved in accident killing motorcycle rider.”

  1. Cardiac  October 2nd

    Not only under the influence, but driving with a license under suspension too. Trying to pass cars across a double yellow line to boot. Believe it. Lane is a murderer.

  2. Jesper  October 2nd

    Guess I was horribly wrong. Didn’t think he would be that stupid.

    No reason to form a lynch mob though. That wont undo what happened.

  3. L.A.RIDER  October 5th

    Lane is a piece of crap that deserves to go down hard for this. If and when he goes to the pen, it’ll be good riddance to bad garbage.

  4. SPGURL  October 7th

    Boycott Choppers Inc. and Billy Lane products or you support a killer.

  5. Jesper  October 9th

    It’s amazing how people love to hate.

  6. Art  October 17th

    Jesper you are a Homo. If he killed your father you would want him dead. This is unforgivable. Show him no respite. We must as a society say we do not stand for this. You pussies like Jesper are the reason this stuff happens so often. In my country he would be dead, and so would you Jesper.

  7. Jesper  October 17th

    Pussies are the ones that go around issuing death threats hiding behind an alias.

    I assume you’re just a messed up school kid, Art. So I’ll ignore your attempt to offend me, and waste a couple of minutes explaining my point of view.

    I don’t respect people who drink and drive, end of story.

    I think he will get what’s coming to him from the justice system. That’s how society works whether you like it or not.

    I might disagree with the sentence. That doesn’t mean we have to be best mates, but it doesn’t give me the right to run him out of the village either.

    I think people who add to the fire and use this unfortunate situation to spread hate and encourage others to take the law in their own hands are morons.

  8. L.A. Rider  October 18th

    I’m with Jesper. Screw all of you Billy Ass Kissers and sympathizers. Lane is garbage. Spending all that money to defend himself when he could be a man, admit his guilt, and compensate the Morelocks with that money.

  9. L.A. Rider  October 18th

    That is I’m with Art. Screw you Jesper.

  10. Jesper  October 19th

    Going to pass on that L.A. Rider, not my thing.

  11. crazy  October 27th

    politition in MN did the same thing yet got off with a fine so have a lot of others just because of whe billy is and his lifestyle you want to form a lynch mob well go after every drunk-stoned-old-young person that ran down a biker then maybe you would have some credibility

  12. shogun  October 30th

    Lane is a big dissapointment.
    Its a shame motorcycles werent enough for him.
    And Art. take it eazy. Put that energy to good use by telling the idoits getting in their cars at the bar if they drive away your cell is dialing the cops. now that would take true balls and would gain a huge amount of respect from people like me.
    Why dont I do it myself. dont drink. never have. never will. Wasnt worth my time. Motorcycles are enough for me.

  13. L.A. Rider  November 5th

    Just a figure of speech Jesper. You’re a Billy-Butt-Kisser. At least Gerald Morelock didn’t die in vain. Word is, good ol’ Billy hooked up with Erin, that barslut that Lane was racing home to nail. Guess he ain’t too concerned about what happened.

  14. Jesper  November 5th

    Not kissing anyones butt, I’m with Crazy and Shogun on this. You’re of course entitled to your opinion L.A. Rider, all though you have a funny way to express it.

  15. L.A. Rider  November 9th

    My opinion on Lane (that he’s an irresponsible jerk trying to perpetrate the image of a tough biker) is shared by the majprity of people who know of the case. The Morelocks are seeking compensation for their loss. Lane could give it to them rather than wasting it on lawyers and specialists and barsluts and appearances. The only thing is, Lane is afraid to do time for the crime that he commited.

  16. rick  November 30th

    theres an interview with billy lane on the scott ferrall show ch. 101 on sirius radio 6pm tonight. theres talk that billy was recieving oral from the passenger when the wreck happened.

  17. rick  November 30th

    sorry the show starts at 8pm

  18. chop chop  December 5th

    Uhhh…. research says the guy who died was drunk too….
    Both were drunk, doesn’t make it right…but both had bad reaction times. Maybe if the other guy wasn’t drunk he could have took the ditch.
    ??

  19. Lucky  December 5th

    having a hard time reading on this and other blogs about how dissapointed folks are in Billy. When did he sign up to be the biker moral representative? people of all walks, rich, poor, black, white, all make bad choices including driving drunk. If it were any of us we would expect at least the right to not be judged until all the facs are in. Then if hes guilty, throw the book at him. But lets not kid ourselves, we all have or know someone who has driven when we shouldn’t have.

  20. jands_44  December 6th

    Seems like the same ol same everywhere you look. People bashing people for bashing billy and vice versa. But lets face it if were John Doe driving that truck with a picture of himself riding a motorcycle on the side of it, the lynch mob would be out in force, with signs up everywhere about the big benifit ride to help the Morelock family with expenses.
    But it wasnt just another cager, it was bigger than life Billy Lane.
    I just hope they had the good taste to peel that “Kill a Biker go to jail” sticker off of his bumper.

  21. choppercrue  December 7th

    First off not saying I agree to DUI. Lucky, chop chop, jesper & crazy, u seemed to have a good sense of what’s going on. Art, if indeed ” in your country” Billy would be dead for what he did & Jesper would be too just for disagreeing with u, maybe u should go back there. LA Rider; just becuz Billy has the cash for the best defense attorneys money can buy & he’s using it to keep himself out of prison doesn’t make him less of a man, it makes him just like anyone else in his same position that has been finacially successful would do. There is no way u or anyone of us would do any different. It was an accident, he didn’t mean to kill, hurt or mame anyone.

  22. L  December 8th

    To LA Rider: How do you know that Erin is a barslut and he was racing home to nail her. Please don’t assume you know what was going on that night cause you don’t. You have no idea what had taken place that day or night. How does any of you know what is going on in Billys head as far as remorse goes. You don’t know anything for sure. You all might be eating your words one day if you or your child, a close friend or family member might end up in the same situation. I sure hope not. This is a tragic situation and someone is dead. None of us are perfect and Billy will have to live with what has happened. You all can sit back and judge and make assumptions, but you really are just making up lies that you know nothing about. I disagree with the fact that if it wasn’t Billy Lane he would be in jail, I think it is just the opposite. I think because he is Billy Lane he is getting treated worse than you or me would if we were in the same horrible situation. Be careful about throwing stones one day maybe someone will be throwing stones at you.

  23. kawi girl  December 8th

    All i have to say about all this is…let it go. If it was just a drunk driver would you all be here putting in your 2 cents? NO because no one really cares unless it 1) happens to someone they know or 2) happens to someone famous. So why not just let it go. NO mater what any of you have to say Billy is going to do what BIlly is going to do. You want to boycott, that is your deal, but dont expect everyone who reads your posting to do the same! THats all i haveto say. You want to call me a Billy lover or what ever else you need to do to feel better about what you have done, go a head.

  24. Nor Cal Snaggle  December 11th

    I’ll kick that midgets ass if I ever see him!!!!

    All the rest of you are lame for supporting him!!!

    His bikes suck also!!!

  25. Billy Lane Sucks  December 13th

    Billy Lane is shit. He will do hard time for 25 years. His arrogance caught up with him and killed an innocent man.

  26. choppercrue  December 14th

    To Nor Cal Snaggle: Hey Tough guy, It’s real easy to threaten to kick billys ass when u know that u will NEVER run into him. But then again u sound like a angry little 14 yr old whos mommy & daddy didn’t pay enuf attention to.

  27. Jimmy James  December 14th

    Why come I can’t find da mofo?

  28. dina  December 19th

    Billy Lane should pay the price that us nobodies would in the same situation. Why hasn’t anyone heard any updates through the news for this? There is never an excuse for drunk driving. period.

  29. Jennifer Suphin  December 21st

    There is a higher power that created this earth and you and I don’t think he needs your help. Grow up!

  30. mella  December 25th

    Amen kawi-girl and choppercrue! Most of the posters who say they will do this or do that need to grow up and look around. These are the kind of people who are turning our world to shit. All talk but don’t put their money where their mouth is. Art needs to go back home. He is here in this country that allows him to say what he said and not be punished. They say when you point a finger you have 3 more pointing back at you

  31. L.A. Rider  December 29th

    I see there is no shortage of Lane sympathizers. Wrong Lane Billy Lane is a repeat offender who deserves nothing but to go down hard and lose everything for killing a man. Do not support this jerk’s defense by buying his products.

  32. mella  December 31st

    I.mnot sympathizing with him i just think poeple who say they would do this or that when they know they will never be in that situation are a little jouvanile and should grow up. He should be punished for what he did but let the courts do that. And as for Art…Dont stand behind the flag while you are burning it…that makes no sense.

  33. kawi girl  January 1st

    I never said i syoathize for Billy, yes he did wrong and yes he should be punished but who are all of you to tell me not to by the products that are made for his shop or in his shop. Is it right for me to punish all the employees of the shop or merchendise producers because of something Billt did. I dont care who you are, i am not going to stop doing something or buying something that i like because you said so. Grow up and worry about your own life!!!Stop trying to run everyone elses.

  34. L.A. Rider  January 9th

    You go ahead and buy your Billy junk while you can. If by some twisted act of justice his lawyers get him off light and he kills again, you get to take credit for that because this jerk has proven that he does not learn from his past.

  35. kawi girl  January 11th

    What does people buying his stuff have to do with Billy going to jail or not, or killing someone. This is why I gwt so upset with all you bashers, one thing has nothing to do with the other. So grow up, get a life and stop trying to run everyone elses.

  36. billybitch  January 14th

    Mella: learn to spell – then your comments will have some credibility !

    jouvanile

    get a grip.

  37. billybitch  January 14th

    BTW…..Billy fucked up, no bones about it. May he be prosecuted accordingly.

  38. mella  January 20th

    Again I agree with kawi girl and as for my spelling…well when your brain is faster than your fingers…shit happens. Seems pretty bad when the only thing you can think to criticize about a persons statement is their spelling …then they must be right. Get a f’n life

  39. 1340shovel  January 21st

    Bottom line he did wrong. He should be tried by a jury of his peers. And he should receive no special treatment because he is a D- grade celebrity. There is to be a sentence handed down to a man in Florida for tax evasion later this month. This man could get 243 years in prison for a white collar crime. If this happens to a tax evader Mr. Lane deserves something more harsh.

  40. shovel head  January 21st

    billy i

    Billy good luck I know you must feill bad to popple just dont know.

    skid

  41. shovel head  January 21st

    L.A.rider and your god

  42. rob  January 22nd

    billy made a mistake everyone makes mistakes, thats life. im sure he is hurting inside but you cant just give up on the guy. the most important thing is where he goes from here. two wrongs do not make a right.

  43. SHANESTER14075  January 25th

    Alright enough of the bullshit! Here is the way it is. Bill Clinton GOT OFF because he had $$$$$$! Lets pay attention to more important stuff like Bush killing all of our fellow US citizens. Lets be real people like mentioned before if you have $$$$$ you can buy your way through anything. I dont think what happened is right but when on two wheels you are living by the sword day in and day out!

  44. kawi girl  January 26th

    Well it looks like Rob and I are on the same page. Thank you for the suport mella not like i really care what some of these haters think of me. As far as not giving up on the guy like Rob said, why dont you all think of the good stuff that Billy has done. He does not give up on people so why should we. Billy if you are reading this you have all my suport no matter what any of the a**es here or on other blogs think.

  45. vl  January 28th

    the dude is dead and billy killed him. yadda yadda yadda… happens every day. get over it…

  46. JESSE  February 1st

    If you can’t forgive, then you will become unforgiven yourself. I am sure that Billy is very sorry for what he did and I know that God has already forgiven him as well as I, so Billy hang in there and when it feels like the world is falling on your shoulders remember there is only one thing that you have to do…..breathe!!!!

  47. 1340shovel  February 4th

    Jesse you are correct about forgiveness. Billy has done nothing to me and I still have forgiven him for this tragedy. He will still however have to face punishment for this incident. Instead of making fun of Mike Brown from Amen cycles he should have sat down and talked to him. Thanks.

  48. badboytroy  February 5th

    as a man borne in the good old USA he new what should hapin to someone in this case and was busted with no dowt of this charge he should fry if he were to kill one of my famly i would fry him myself i beleve an eye for an eye tooth for a tooth and all of you for him kiss my you no

  49. john hellspawn  February 14th

    if any of you billy haters has commited no sin make sure you know exactly what happened that day before you cast the stones.because the only fact is none of you were there so piss off

    john hellspawn

  50. rkcustom/xl1200c  February 14th

    So many reactions so many opinions. We all know Billy from what we have seen on TV the internet and what we have read in mags and his books, that is all. We do not know him personally, we can not conclude that he is a good person or a bad person from what we have seen or heard. His work inspired me and always will. Even with this recent situation I will look to his art for inpiration in my own work. As a person, he made a huge mistake which everyone agrees on. It is truly uacceptable for one to drink and drive. Bottom line there are no excuses for what happened. I ride, and i have to watch out for drivers in cars who think they are ok to be on the road when they are drunk…..I also have to watch out for biker who are drunk…..
    If nothing else, this unfortuate situation should bring light to the biker community (and those who watch these “stars”)
    Drinking kills and Billy has made it more “in your face”.

    rkcustom/xl1200c

  51. David  February 15th

    I just hope that Billy Lane’s buisness is liquid enough to provide for the man’s family he killed while Lane is in prison. Yes it was an accident and yes I am sure Lane is sorry but he still must be held accountable as anyone else would be.

  52. scott  February 26th

    a man makes a mistake.he learns,the man makes the same mistake again.is it a mistake the second time

  53. chloe  February 28th

    I love Billy and god will forgive him, I feel bad for the family of their loss. Leave it in god hands and he will forgive his sins. I see most bikers drunk at bikeweek and getting killed or killing someone else. Judge not and you will not be judged. Let the courts handle this. Grandmother always told us if you can’t say something nice then don’t say anything at all. God bless everyone

  54. Jarad Hightower Michigan  February 28th

    Well, I’m notgoing to hide behind a screen name or bash anybodies thoughts.
    Many people are killed every year because of some idiot drinking and driving. And or just acting like their stuff dont stink, because they are rich,,,, like showing off in your brand new truck””’ Billy is not the first and wont be the last! How ever, many people have been burned for doing the same thing, so we will just have to see if money does realy talk, and bullshit realy walks.
    Jarad_hightower@yahoo.com

  55. Nghi  February 28th

    What’s with this rich people poor people thing? So you’re telling me poor people don’t get liquored up and run into people drunk? Let’s all come together and say it’s stupid as hell to drink and drive. My friend was hit on his bike last year by a drunk driver. This guy was definitely no Billy Lane and didn’t have Billy Lane money. Conversely, I had a friend who has a habit of drinking and driving get a DUI a few weeks ago. He deserved it. Now the first thing that pops up in Google when you type in his name is his arrest. So, in short, I don’t give a shit if you’re rich, poor, black, white, asian, mexican, doctor, lawyer, welder, cop, the effen pope, don’t drink and drive.

  56. chloe  February 28th

    you are right I know many cops, lawyers and all walks of live that do the same thing. I worry more about our children that are being killed and rape by sickos. Jessica Lundsford was a child who lived down the road from us. John Couey kidnapped her from her home while she was in bed. She was 9 yrs. old he took her across the street where he was living raped her for days the tied her hands and feet duck taped her mouth let her hold on to her stuffed toy and put her in black trash bags and buryed her alive when the drunk ass was caught in GA. drunk in a bar laughing all I can think of was her tiny fingers sticking out of those bags. Her family has gone lived with this for months. Worry about this crap and let the law worry about billy. John has a lawyer that is paid with my tax dollars and trying to say he was nuts. Things like that piss me off. So big deal Billy has his own money he broke the law he will pay if not here God will take care of it. Worry more for our childred. Lets pass the Jessie act in all states. Her name was Jessica Marie Lundford from Citrus Co. Fl. Check out her web page see what our bikers are doing. I will say don’t drink and drive but their are worst things in this world besides Billy Lane.

  57. chloe  March 6th

    whats the matter did this make you forget about billy or are you at bike week getting drunk and driving? Hope you are not drinking it more fun just hanging out and looking at all the new bikes and old ones and just having a good time sober.

  58. badboytroy  March 6th

    chloe are you that dum judge not and you will not be judged yes you will we all will and like I said AN EYE FOR AN EYE TOOTH FOR A TOOTH HE SHOULD FRY he f up and should be a man and face the piper what does the bible say obay the LAW he did not you can love him all you like but you should uphold the law if you dont you are just as much as a ass as he is

  59. chloe  March 7th

    yes I am. You must not be one of those dumb ass drunks at bikeweek now. Seeing a few are already dead and have killed someone because of being dui. One of my brothers just called me and seen one happen. I love to ride my bike but not drunk. Billy will pay the piper but so will all the jerks in the USA that are killing by dui’s every few minutes. If you ever met Billy you would know he is a hell of a nice guy and he fucked up. Still love the guy and his art of building great bikes. So go fuck yourself!

  60. chloe  March 7th

    Badboytroy dum? Is that for dumb? I don’t drink at all. Life will pass you by and you won’t see it at all by drinking. Drinking causes bad judgement and thats what Billy did, just like a hell of alot of other people do.

  61. badboytroy  March 7th

    chloe you must be tralertrash I am not dum you are the one defending a murderr you dum bich and fuck that napy nigger hair billy have thay put the rope around his head yet lolol

  62. chloe  March 8th

    badboytroy;
    No I am not trailer trash. I can afford to go buy one of his bikes in cash. I know how to spell so you must of quit school at a early age. Yes he did wrong, have you every in your dumbass life had poor judgement. Are you a biker or a want to be? You must be a redneck or black hater. I am bad enough to kick the shit out of you. I love my fellow sisters and brothers. Where do you live? I have a nice home a great husband and a little girl.I work with animals homeless people and help out any one I can. I feel sorry for that man that lost his life so don’t get me wrong with that but Bill will have his day in court. I love his hair its clean smells nice and looks good. I work with hospice also. I have been riding for 35 yrs. You must be a drunk or just dumb. What about all the other people getting killed by drunks and getting off with my tax dollars? Billy feels remorse and can’t fix what happened but can learn from his mistakes. Can You. Go back to school and learn to spell. And may God hold you in his hands and keep you and your family safe from harms way. I am sorry for the bad things I said to you and will be praying about it. I judged you and that was a sin in my book. I just feel people should worry about whats going on in this world besides Billy Lane a man that made a bad mistake. Love and Peace to you.

  63. Justin  March 8th

    Amen chloe- badboytroy is a big ass hole!!! Id like to beat the shit out of his face. He must think he is better than any one. He must be the trailertrash.

  64. Cody  March 8th

    whos badboytroy calling a nigger? I’m black and proud of it. fuck that ass hole.

  65. cindy  March 8th

    i live in a trailer but i am not trash where does this dude get off name calling. dui is not legal in any state i know of. the law will do its job.

  66. badboytroy  March 8th

    let me tell you i dont drink cant spell good own my bike shop was a cop. and you can be black and not a nigger. you can be any race and be one but if it makes you made you must be one i do have black frends and thay are not niggers and they will back me up if i afended you I AM SORRY I DO NOT THINK THAT ALL BLACKS ARE and I WOULD BE JUST AS MADE IF HE KILL A BLACK MAN and billy can be sorry all he likes but i dont think it is his first time and for his gruppy girl chloe keep on dufending a KILLER and if you do live in a trailer for more then five yrs and you dont better your self and dont mind low income if you are not trash you should not get mad but if it makes you mad YOU ARE TRAILER TRASH

  67. blackman  March 8th

    badboytroy you are right you dont have to be black to be a nigger anyone can be one and it looks like you were just making a statment about dum ass billy he is a man that fuck up but when he dont admit what he did and take a ple he is wasting tax money and being a bich take you time like a man and when you get out dont drink and drive and for badboytroy YOU ARE THE MAN

  68. chloe  March 8th

    I don’t live in trailer and not trash. I don’t defend him for what he did, he did a wrong thing but its up to the courts to decide not you. wheres your bike shop do have billys talent? He is my friend and will pay his dues but I do not hate him or anyone but John Couey maybe. What about all the other people that die every 15 minutes in the USA because of a drunk driver nobodys bitching about them. It happened now its between him and the family of the man that died and God. So shut up. And you never was a cop they go to college and know how to spell. You must be the trash you have called me! Live to ride and ride to live.

  69. Cindy  March 8th

    I have lived in a trailer for 10yrs. on my 125 acre ranch raising horses and in my spare time riding bikes. Its paid for in full so why does that make me trash. You are a asshole,Badboytroy. Let that Chloe say what she wants this the USA and I beleive we still have freedom of speech. I dig Billys stuff and am a fan but he did wrong. The law will do its job.

  70. Squirrel  March 8th

    I am black so I must be a nigger too! Get a life badboytroy. You NIGGER hater bastard must be livin in GA.

  71. joe  March 9th

    Someone should pull this web site I think you all are nuts get a life!

  72. xcop  March 10th

    i know badboytroy he was a cop and a good one the thing is bill and him doing it agin this time someone deyd i have party with him and see how he realy is when he drinks HE MUST GO TO JAIL FOR SOME TIME OVER NERDER AND IF YOU DEFEND HIM YOU SHOULD GO TO

  73. Big Don  March 10th

    I think that all you people wanting to see Bill get the fucking chair ought to look in the mirror. Are you jealous? Or are you just in denial that you have never been caught or done the same thing. Yeah our justice system sucks. You pick the lifestyle, you pay the price.

  74. Chloe  March 11th

    Big Don says it all. Chloe

  75. xcop  March 12th

    i am doing what i can to get him the time he should get that is 20yrs he will get it and do all of it and badboytroy thank you for your info and the pics of billy that night we do need all of them pics to do the job right thanks for your help thanks for the cheak

  76. badboytroy  March 12th

    fuck all the dum shit billy needs to go down so he wont kill ageen and i am helping the law as much as i can i got good pics of it all

  77. Eric H  March 12th

    Just wanted to drop in and put a few thoughts on here. Everyone seems to be doin a great job of bashin Billy, and each other. You guys can keep b@tchin’ about this but it isn’t going to make a differance. If I had the money, I’d have the lawyers too, and I don’t know about some of you guys, but I’ve made mistakes, bad descisions and ended up in jail for them. My dad loved motorcycles and after I got released I got a family together and devoted alot of time to motorcycles. I got the chance to meet Billy at an Easyriders show a few years ago and let me tell you this. I stood in line for over an hour and a half and all these people that were there wanted was pictures and autographs. That’s not what I went there for, I wanted advice from someone that I looked up to, not because of his behavior but his skill and knowledge. When it was my “turn” with Billy I took a pic then asked him a question about buildin’ bikes the right way. He got up off his bar stool, shook my hand, and proceeded to take me around the back of the tarped off area. He spoke with me and answered my questions for about 30 minutes. He is a normal guy, with other people puttin him on such a pedestal that it’s retarded. I have left the bar a few times and drove over 15 miles with one eye open so I could see. It’s not what I intended to do, and thank god I never had anything happen, but it was a decision that I made and I would’ve had to live with any repercussions it would’ve brought. And to hear comments like he was racin home to get laid, or he’s using his celebrity for his benefit, and all the crap everyone is saying is just stupid. Being a celebrity has it’s good sides’ but bad as well. Common sense would tell you that he wouldn’t have a problem gettin laid, and if I was a celebrity then why not use that to my advantage. I’ve been in front of a judge before and I would never in my life want that responsibility. He has worked hard for what he has, and I’m sure he never wanted to become as famous as he is. Wasn’t it Charles Barkley quite a few years ago that stated he never wanted to be a role model, well i’m sure Billy didn’t either. Only God knows when your time is up and everyone will get what they deserve in this situation. Billy is a very sincere guy, he took the time out of his busy ass day to answer my questions when there was a line around the convention ceter to see him, not Yaffe, or Finch. Kendall Johnson, Chica and the others never even showed up at the event they were supposed to be at!! All in all, I wish him the best and he will have to live with that night just like I have to live with what I did 12 years ago. And trust me when I say that felonies knock you out of alot of things, but it doesn’t make you a bad person. The judge that sentenced me told me that we all screw up, I just got caught. What does that tell you, nobodys perfect and we all make mistakes, that’s just how life goes. You learn from them and move on. I don’t know what he was dealin’ with at that time, and only he would, but through my divorce recently I got a lil out of control, the whole leavin the bar drunk thing earlier, but I had alot on my mind and handled it the wrong way. Hopefully he learns from this just like I had to take a step back and reevaluate what is happenin in my life. Everyone just needs to relax and handle their own business, quit gettin in others. That’s my 2 1/2 cents so have a great day and look at yourself before you start knockin others.

  78. Dean  March 13th

    Eric H.
    You have wrote the best letter yet. You are right and thanks for a good smart reply to all this crap I have been reading. Bless you and yours.
    Dean

  79. Eric H  March 15th

    I appreciate it Dean, if everyone else thought like that maybe this world would be a little better.It’s funny how much people get wrapped up in everyone around them and take the easy road by knocking them instead of looking at themselves. Just goes to show how narrowminded people are. Good day to you all, and God Bless

  80. Dean  March 15th

    Eric H Thank you Dean

  81. kawi girl  March 16th

    Well it is about time that someone else saw how things really are. After all is said and done, ya we all want to know what is happening with him, but it really is none of our business. After all who are we to judge. We are not him only he will truely be dealing with what he did and why. I still admire him for the good he has done and know that will continue no matter how much anyone puts him down. We can all say what we like, but the only ones words that really matter are that of the judge in his case. So go a head get it out of your system, but know your words here will not change anything, either way.

  82. Pan Chopper Man  March 18th

    Shit happens. Ever heard of those that have and those that will?!
    Shut-th-fuck up and go give someone you love a big hug and then go grab a cold one and polish yer bike.
    Morons!

  83. deedee  March 23rd

    Ha ha nuff said on the matter you morons.

  84. mella  March 24th

    pan chopper MAN . not child. enough said. amen

  85. springerjim  March 25th

    hope noe of you self rightcheous assholes never make a mistake of any kind. The man is punishing himself worse than any of you hypocrites ever could. The law will decide, and he is man enough to deal with it. pray for him, DON’T condem

  86. ladydy  March 27th

    This is for billy,i wish u all the luck!! shit happens and life goes on billy.it was an accident why cant people except it just the way it is.im with u billy one hundred percent.

    Diana Recio

  87. fran  April 2nd

    Think I will order some more shirts with you Billy shit happens.LOL

  88. springerjim  April 12th

    Don’t judge the man any differently than you would anyone else in a similar situation. Just because he has made good does’nt mean jack s–t. He messed up, and is punishing himself worse than a bunch of narrow minded buttheads ever could. the courts are the only ones who can judge. Has anyone forgotten how much good he has done? If anything, pray for the family who lost somone, and for him to find peace. Hope you find it Billy, and hope to see you out on the road some day

  89. gidget  April 16th

    What happened to Billy is sad; what happened to Gerald Morelock is more than sad. It happens all to often in our society because we make it possible for little known people to become an idol and icon. I know of many people who condemn others for the very same thing that Billy did–drive drunk–when they do it themselves and just as often. It just happens they haven’t taken the life of anyone……YET. We create idols and then when they disappoint us, we condemn them. But is it them we are condemn, or is it ourselves for looking up to them in the first place? I will not condemn nor boycott Billy. My husband and I know him personally and he is a very fine person who got too much too fast and didn’t handle it well. We have watched Billy talk to people and especially kids long after everyone else closed up their autographing time at Bike Week because they wanted to get back to their drinking or whatever, but Billy stays and talks with his fans. There are others who don’t even show at the appointed time to sign autographs. Billy cares and he is genuine, he used very bad judgement about drinking and driving. He cost the life of another and I am sure if he could change things he would. But he didn’t think clearly; we, the public, have made him larger than life and I can only assume he felt invincible. Who hasn’t? Yes, he made a bad decision….just like the man in Kentucky who drove across a median in a four-lane highway and hit a bus full of church kids returning from a trip to an amusement park…he didn’t intend to do it, but he was drunk. I bet any of you out there who drink think it won’t happen to you because you know when to quit or because you can handle your alcohol. Well, I would imagine Billy thought the same thing. Let the courts handle it. If you like Billy, support him; if you don’t, well, you are entitled to your opinion, but hate doesn’t get anyone anywhere. Why aren’t you speaking out as furvently against our president who is sending our young boys and girls to die in HIS war? Oh, wait, HE isn’t a biker who was a nobody and made it big!! There isn’t reason for jealousy. We can’t say, “yeah, he finally got what was coming to him! Shows him for being such a big shot?”. Rather than boycott Billy, let’s boycott our politicians, judges, and law enforcement who allow drinking and driving and give light sentences. First time offenders should spend a set amount of jail-time, second time offenders spend time in jail with loss of driver’s license AND the state takes their plates from their car. A third time offender could be looking at 6 months or more in jail. Whatever is decided, but we, the people, need to change our laws and the way they are enforced and acted on by our judges. Don’t hate the offender, try finding a way that will take him off of the road and perhaps get him help with his problem. Let’s not judge Billy or anyone because we all know people who drink and drive…..they just haven’t gotten caught or killed anyone yet.

  90. Chloe  April 20th

    Amen.

  91. chopper crue  April 23rd

    Hang in there Billy. You have alot of support here in Portland Ore. We only hope u r recieving all the assistance neccessary to get u back in the groove. Be cool.

  92. deedee  May 8th

    Still with you billy. god bless you and good luck with your court date.

  93. Chloe  May 28th

    Thanks for your letter Billy hang in there. I’ll stand by you forever.

  94. dlcustom  May 28th

    I to ran into Lane at a couple of bike shows, one one occation I was stuck in that line for hr.s and finally when I got to get my Photo op. I passed I sent my love at the time for the photo and for me I just wanted to shake billy’s hand. I had been watching out for lanes work since he had that publication in choppers mag. way back with that green rigid. When everyone else was yaffafid… I that time my brother was working with paul and that dued sounded like a real jerk. So when I walked up to Billy never owning a motorcycle (always dreaming) I shoke his hand of corse my girlfriend was a charmer and had put him in a good mood. So I asked him a question about metal work somthing I am into and he gave me some time just talking and as we left it was as if he didn’t even want us to go. On antoher occation Billy was drinking all day, playing the part and I had more fun walking back and forth past this shovel that had its heads reversed. It had never been about Billy’s attitude, I was about the work. Yes, seeing someone with a drinking problem isn’t cool and seeing the effects is even worse losing everything due to it is devistating. for anyone no mater what the situation. From one lonely fan

  95. Proud Air Force & Army Mom  May 31st

    Let me ask each of you this one question…….What have you done for our troops? At least Billy can say that he has. My daughter, in the Air Force based in Germany at the time, now in Iraq, got to meet with him as did several others. I am fortunate enough to have a daughter serving in the military to think of her mom when she had the opportunity to obtain an autographed picture of Billy and send it to me, knowing how much I love to ride. She said he seemed down to earth and “fitted in” with their transportation field. I’m not condoning the accident, nor the fact that unfortunately someone had to pass. We all make mistakes and we all have choices. It’s the choice that you personally have to live with in the end. We also have the choices thanks to our soldiers and anyone that does something for them is awesome in my book. So keep this in mind……Our children are laying it on the line for your right to bitch and my right to tell you to shut the F*** up!!!

  96. Gaz Mr.T Hayes  May 31st

    Billy Lane is a chopper god,hit a case of the old “running off the rails” bad luck. I hear you was getting oral from a sexy lady when you crashed,hahaha. Shit happens bro.Its better to be dead an cool,than alive an uncool.Its also better to burn out,than to fade away. good luck with the trial brother.

  97. purplerider  June 1st

    I feel terrable that a man was killed but you have to agree if this was you or me we would not be all over the net,he did worng he will pay his dues do not forget what he has done for many of our men and women in this so called war he has made many dreams come true we need not to forget he is just human like all of us he made a terreble choce so have many of us lets learn from it.

  98. Stag  June 5th

    If it turns out that Billy had drunk beer, then drove his motor, and killed a guy with the motor, then he should be jailed for a long time, end of story! As for the dead guy, we’re all genuinely sorry for him and his family, If the dead guy had kids then Billy should help them by allowing them unrestricted acces to his wealth to help ease their loss. I did not know the dead guy but i see Billy Lane on TV quite a lot, he is a talented guy who brought delight to others, but when you choose to drink and drive, you must accept the end result, which should be jail for a long time. In my country (Scotland) Billy would get around 5 years for this crime. The dead guy’s wife/children will serve a life sentence. I will miss Billy on my TV for the next few years, but he will be back, the dead guy won’t.

    Stag.

  99. purplerider  June 7th

    I understand what you are saying does that go for every drunk driver that lives through an accedent like or just becouse he is well known.

  100. Chloe  June 8th

    We have people all over the USA drinking and killing and get probation and lose their driving permits but can still go out and buy new cars and trucks and are allowed to drive because of dumb laws. I feel bad for the family and their loss but Billys a nice guy and made a mistake and I hope he stays out of jail. I am sure the family will get some money out of him and I will stand by Billy forever. Good luck billy. And my prayers are for the family and their loss.

  101. rude  June 9th

    U know im sorry for what happened that night but everyone keeps talking about money. Didnt the Morelocks get enough money from putting Dodge through the ringer? Now they are going to take Billy for everything he has. The sad thing is he was a famous bike builder and had his own shop before this accident even happened. So its not good enough that he will lose his freedom? Now he has to lose everything he had before this happened? Enough is enough when are they going to stop taking?

  102. gidget  June 10th

    You’re correct rude: It seems the Morelocks are more interested in money than anything else. Mr. Morelock was also drunk and just as guilty as Billy, but even more lame-brained. Why would you get on a moped, scooter, or motorcycle when you are as intoxicated as he was? He had just as slow a reaction time as Billy and he didn’t have anything around him to protect him should he collide with a car, truck or bus. Both were stupid and both took chances. Perhaps this is a lesson to all about making the decision to operate ANY motor-driven vehicle (even a lawnmower) when we have had too much too drink. All of the money in the world won’t bring Mr. Morelock back and I sympathize with them and their loss, but condeming Billy (especially for something that either we or friends or other family members do and have just been fortunate enough to not have been caught or killed someone) will not help either. In most wrongful death suits, the age of the victim is taken into consideration, the amount of money he made and perhaps would have made if he had lived to whatever the average age of life is (such as 65 or 70)and then that amount is awarded to the family. Trying to get any more than that just makes one look greedy and taking advantage to get something that the family would never have achieved had their loved one lived a long life.

  103. Chloe  June 13th

    I did’nt realize the morelocks got money from dodge. Maybe they can go buy a real bike. good luck billy Most people don’t get a dime for a lost one in a dui because most of the drunks don’t own anything. God forgave Billy so should others. Peace my friend

  104. Earl In Texas  June 13th

    My Turn!Give ‘em their “legal JUST REWARDS; The law will! Don’t worry about Billy,he’ll do OK at the end of all this. Let’s don’t forget that he’s a BIKER and a business man.He presents himself to be a true “outlaw” biker without being rude or “in your face”with it.RESPECT TO ERIC H.– TO EVERYONE!; Let’s excuse all the GARBAGE, including the racist crap by some white trash and niggers that just need a forum to bitch about something, and realise that this is about a BIKER BRO that fell! I Don’t knoow Billy,but I’m sure that he’s very acidic inside. If he is a true BIKER,then he must be sick inside with all this.

  105. Earl In Texas  June 13th

    SECOND SAY SO! If Mr. Morelock(respectful apologies for spelling) was drunk, then his life insurance ain’t gonna pay off! Why would any of you “Discovery Channel ARM CHAIR QB’S” question the Morelock family ,sueing Dodge ,and any body else that they can sic their lawyers on.Why would any of you be surprised about this,or don’t you ever leave the house. Most of you sound like you’ve never crashed into anything. If you ain’t a motorcyclist or haven’t been a victim of a crash(auto or bike), then don’t condemn those who would seek their”JUST REWARDS” If you are a BIKER then you MIGHT(no ill wishes, it’s just a fact) get your chance!Let it be known that I am not a lawyer! I am a proud ditch digger and an educated outlaw biker!

  106. billy bike owner  June 15th

    well i guess you people i sit in jail right now for dui i am sorry for what i did people you need to realise people make mistakes yes billy was wrong so was the old man he was 2 times over the limit but billy is rwrong you say i say no we are all wrong for judging are you perfect can you be the judge no!!!!!! god is the judge so to billy i say i would be happy to share a beer with you at some strip club somewhere i know billys mom i would hate to see a tear come from her eye because you people have affended her so once again billy see you in sturgis at the full throttle ill keep the beer cold

  107. dipshit  June 16th

    dip shit

  108. mikey from orange county choppers  June 20th

    Billy is a grat bike bilter but it is a same for somthing like this would happen to billy he would not hirt a fle but i hope billy does not get the death pently you firens from occ paulsr paul jr mikey rick vinnie thanks

  109. Billy Hurt  June 27th

    Billy fucked up,,we all have,,it’s a damn shame it took a life,,we can only hope something good can come from a tragedy like this,,I have rode scoots for 40 years ,shit like this happens all the time,usually to clock punchers,,you don’t make the 6;00 news,,I don’t want to hang Billy,,I just hope he thinks twice before havin that last beer before climbing behind the wheel again,,,,Jail time won’t kill him,,That twig Paris millionarie proved that,,

  110. Silver  July 1st

    He’s still not in jail ? As has been said, American Justice is the very best money can buy !

  111. purplerider  July 3rd

    i KNOW HE MADE A BAD CHOICE BUT SO HAVE WE ALL EVEN WHEN OUR BIKES BUT REMBER WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR ALL THE WARRIORS THAT ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDEM AND IT IS NOT FOR THE RECOGNITION BUT FROM HIS HEART JUST LOOK AT HIS CD CALED blood sweat and gears if you really are a biker then you need to stand by his side he will pay his debt. and move on ill be there all thr way

  112. purplerider  July 3rd

    I remember 2 yyears ago in myrtle beach when he gave a chopper away the bike was built be billy, kendall mondo paul cox and Aaron if you need last names look them up I am not being a jurk I just know the guys and there all brothersI can not forget jennifer scott (FTW) I spent two days giving away fre beer and some of you were there i hope not the ones doging billy we are there for you thats why we can call our selfs bikers,ride safe
    Billy see u soon

  113. Silver  July 5th

    I ride 120 miles per day. How about you ? And if I had killed someone last year, you bet I’d be looking at my kids through bars right now.

  114. Hal T  July 15th

    Well, I have never read such horse shit in all of my 55yrs. As someone had said “it’s the same old same old.” The real problem here is that none of you have nothing worth a piss to say that makes a bit of sense. You all also sound like you have IQ’s well below (30).

    Both parties in this tragic incident are victims, that is, victims of their own circumstances and unfortunately one had to suffer the loss of life. If in fact we assume they were both intoxicated, I don’t know this but, assuming it to be true and factual. It would add significant blame on each others part. Therefore, Billy would not soley be to blame for the tragic accident. It would be a question the courts would have to decide on. It is however a serious crime to commit vehicular death while under the influence of alcohol and therefore punishment must be swift and harsh. The question is how swift and harsh should it be given the circumstances.

    Remember drive carefully and don’t drink and drive……..

  115. Silver  July 15th

    Yes, both parties are victims. Victims of Billy Lanes careless disregard for anyone but himself. Don’t blame his actions on “circumstances” as this negates his decisions to drive drunk, driving well beyond the posted speed limit and passing three cars on a double yellow line while being essentially incapable of managing the vehicle as he was incapacitated.

    He chose to drink

    He chose to drive

    He chose to be an a$$hat and pass three cars on a double yellow line.

    These choices lead to the death of Mr.Morelock.

    Florida is one screwed up state. He should already be behind bars. Hope he’s been working out since the accident. I think he’ll make for a real sweet Christmas present for some of the guys in the Pen.

  116. Chloe  July 18th

    Silver you are a sick fuck.

  117. Silver  July 19th

    No, I’m a motorcyclist who had a friend killed by drunk.

    And whatever I am, at least I’m not some sleazy poser like Billy Lane.

  118. gidget  July 19th

    And I suppose you NEVER ride when you have had alcohol to drink nor do you drive when you’ve had alcohol to drink. Billy should never have been behind the wheel after drinking and neither should his victim have been on the road as he was also inebriated beyond the legal limit. Costly mistakes by both parties. Let’s hope you never put yourself in the same type of situation…..driving OR riding after consuming alcohol.

  119. Chloe  July 19th

    Silver I ride too. I have had friends killed too. I don’t wish what you did for anyone. Don’t drink and drive. Are you saying you never made a mistake in your life. Blame the bars for serving to people who are drunk and still want to make that extra money. Christmas is someone very important to people in this world and I don’t think our Lord would want this wish you have asked for Billy. Shame on you!!!!!!

  120. Silver  July 20th

    gidget – “And I suppose you NEVER ride when you have had alcohol to drink nor do you drive when you’ve had alcohol to drink”

    Nope. Don’t drink and ride. Too many idiots in cages who are just waiting for the opportunity. Just because I’m paranoid don’t mean I’m wrong ! ;>)

    FYI, the only time I drive a car is when I need to get something I cannot get with my bike, when I’m doing something with the family, when the weather is completely terrible or there are significant safety issues to contend with like snow/ice on the roads. I doubt I drive more than 1000 miles per year. So in short, no, I do not drink and drive either.

    gidget – “… neither should his victim have been on the road as he was also inebriated beyond the legal limit.”

    No doubt that Mr.Morelock should have not been riding however there is no indication that he was out of control of his vehicle or engaging in any extreme behaviour. In fact all indications point to the opposite as he was riding 2 feet from the right line on the road and nobody has stated to date that he was swerving or otherwise in capacitated.

    “Let’s hope you never put yourself in the same type of situation…..driving OR riding after consuming alcohol.”

    No worries. I know better. Seen to many bloozers cause way too much grief just like Billy Lane.

    Chloe – “Are you saying you never made a mistake in your life.”

    Pretty broad sweep, don’tcha think ? I might have made one or two mistakes in my time. Maybe even three ;>) But to narrow this down a little I’ve never made a choice or choices that ran the risk of killing someone else. I’ve raced at the track and I’ve went pretty fast on the road but I’ve NEVER knowingly put someone else’s life at risk without their knowledge and expressed/implied consent. If I had then I would expect to be IMMEDIATELY tried, convicted and jailed. PERIOD !

    Chloe – “Christmas is someone very important to people in this world and I don’t think our Lord would want this wish you have asked for Billy.”

    Now if you want to bring religion into this then I would refer you to the Lord’s Top Ten Hits. Big favorites in my Baptist church. So we’ll look quite specifically at #6 which states. ‘You shall not murder.’ Make no mistake, that is exactly what this should be called. Billy Lane made a set of specific choices that inevitably led to the death of Mr.Morelock. How would you feel if he had simply fired an automatic machine gun at a room in your home that he knew was very likely to have someone in it ? And in his blind shooting spree he killed someone you loved inside ? There is no difference. He blindly pointed his truck into oncoming traffic and as a result he killed someone. Biblically speaking that’s murder . The Laws of Man state that we must prove specific and deliberate intent but then we’re not talking about the Laws of Man but rather those of a “slightly” higher authority. The good thing is that we have to answer to them both and while Billy Lane may well skate around the pathetic Laws of Man, I seriously doubt he’ll be affording million dollar representation in the hereafter.

    Also, given that your bringing faith into this, let’s do note that Billy Lane was given a warning just a few months earlier in his life. Specifically June ’06 when he was riding drunk in North Carolina. He got lucky then as nobody was hurt and the law enforcement in that area really took it easy on him in spite of the fact that he essentially thumbed his nose at them. Unfortunately they allowed Billy to continue acting like the cowardly a$$hat he is and in September he killed Mr.Morelock. It’s that simple. He has made persistent choices that lead to the death of another person who brought joy and love to many people. That’s murder and that’s what Billy Lane will be tried for by a higher court than the State of Florida.

    Lastly, I wouldn’t be nearly so critical if he even once showed some significant sign of remorse. He’s All About Billy. Otherwise he would have plead guilty instead of hiring legal reps that are attacking the victim. Personally I will pray for these people and hope that they all see the errors of their ways and make amends. Unfortunately humanity has few examples of humility and I really have little hope of seeing it here.

    Billy, if you’re out there, show us that you’re man enough to do the right thing. Admit you screwed up, that you killed someone and stop this profane attempt at satisfying your narcissistic hubris.

  121. Silver  July 20th

    And for some reason I completely forgot to address this !

    Chloe – “Blame the bars for serving to people who are drunk and still want to make that extra money.”

    This completely baffles me. Are you a Christian ? If so then how do you justify this ? Even if you are Catholic and believe in absolution, Billy Lane is hardly a penitent.

    Here’s a link to an article that I hope you find informative :

    http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/chadwell/responsibility/y2005q2l1.htm

  122. gidget  July 20th

    No, Silver, I do not drive and drink! I don’t drink! However; I do not condemn those who do or think myself so wonderfully righteous that I would never make a mistake. Billy made a mistake……..he was given an opportunity many of us will never have and his fans put him on a pedestal. That happens to idols. He is a friend and I will not desert him because he did wrong. Let the laws of the land handle it. It isn’t his fault that he has the money to keep himself out of jail. If you did something wrong and had the money to keep yourself out, I am sure you would do the same. I know Billy and he will abide by whatever the courts hand down to him. Why is it that we can let one or two bad incidents interfere with what how we feel about someone? Jealousy does a lot of harm as well…especially to the person who feels it toward another. Billy has done a lot to help people and our soldiers. If you want people to pay, why not vote to have our President tried as a war criminal for all of the lives he has cost in a war he lied to be able to have started? Not arguing politics, just showing how many people who have the public eye can do a lot of wrong. Some agree that wrongs are committed and others see the situation in other ways. Billy was wrong, I haven’t heard anyone say differently nor has Billy. Let the courts handle it and try putting a little kindness for everyone in your heart. Yes, Mr. Morelock was riding to the right of the road, had he been sober, he might have realized what was going on and gotten off of the road….you can’t tell me that you can’t hear a powerful, speeding vehicle coming at you when you have control of your senses. I am sorry Mr. Morelock lost his life and I am not saying it is his fault; I am saying EVERYONE should think before getting into or behind the wheel of a vehicle, on a motorcycle or any other powerized vehicle while under even the slightest influence of alcohol or drugs. This would include using power tools as well. We all are responsible for the choices we make in life. A very dear friend of mine was also killed by a drunk driver while he was on his motorcycle. The driver of the car that hit him was his best friend. People suffer more than you can ever know over what they do. Condemning isn’t the answer.

    Have a great summer and enjoy your bike as you ride this great country. And remember what you learn in driving school….always watch out for the other guy!

  123. Silver  July 20th

    Gidget – “Billy was wrong, I haven’t heard anyone say differently nor has Billy.”

    Then what in the world would you call a plea of “Not guilty” ?

  124. gidget  July 20th

    Anyone who goes to court without a lawyer is a fool. Lawyers tell their clients to plead not guilty and then let the facts prove differently. It doesn’t mean Billy will get off. A smart client does as his lawyer tells him. We weren’t there, we don’t know ALL of the circumstances; let the court sort them out. I will still be Billy’s friend even if he goes to jail. If you were my friend, I wouldn’t desert you either if you were found guilty of wrong doing. The guy I told you about who was killed on his cycle was a very close friend of mine and I rode with him and his brother (whom I dated) a lot. I also was friends with the guy who killed him and we still remained friends. He pleaded not guilty, was found guilty and served his time. I assume the same will happen with Billy. No matter what the verdict, Billy will live with this for the rest of his life. If he has children at some point in his life, I am sure it will haunt him when they begin to drive/ride or are with friends. Things have a habit of coming back to bite us in the rear, so don’t be too sure he won’t pay.

  125. Silver  July 20th

    Gigdet -”Why is it that we can let one or two bad incidents interfere with what how we feel about someone? ”

    I think it’s because we’re human and prone to judging people. And I admit that I certainly don’t care for the lifestyle and notoriety that companies like Dodge and the Discovery channel are promoting. My 5 year old son accidentally turned on Billy’s show once and we had a very long conversation how he should pity this person who obviously was already lost. Unfortunately this type of person is what a lot of “bikers” emulate which is why I have only disdain for a majority of the chopper crowd.

  126. Silver  July 20th

    Gigdet – “Anyone who goes to court without a lawyer is a fool. Lawyers tell their clients to plead not guilty and then let the facts prove differently.”

    Yeah this is how OJ got away with it as well.

  127. gidget  July 20th

    Or perhaps Billy emulates them. Remember the Hell’s Angels, Iron Horseman and countless other bikers with very bad reps? I think they have improved a lot. Even the Hell’s Angels aren’t always as they seem. My family were camping in Kentucky when our camper got a flat tire. My oldest daughter was about 3 at the time and the Hell’s Angels stopped and told my husband to sit back with me and our daughter while they changed the tire and then invited us to their camp for dinner. They were very polite and in control of themselves and their help was greatly appreciated. We treated them as equals when they stopped to ask if we needed help and they treated us with respect the whole time we were around them. We heard not one curse word or saw one bad thing from them. Yet the next day, there was a writeup in the paper as they rode through the town causing havoc.

    Being judgemental doesn’t help anyone and it is a good way to spread hatered and prejudice and it is what we teach our kids so that they are less tolerant of others.

    I agree that some of the programs on TV bring too much notoriety to certain elements and that it shows people if you are outrageous enough or bold enough you can make a lot of money! Jackass, Dog the Bounty Hunter (his wife is one of the most vulgar, foul-mouthed women I have ever heard) and many other reality shows give our kids and those who live in fantasy worlds too many wrong impressions. But as you did, we should discuss them with our kids and friends and show them how it can be bad without condemning those on the show and being judgemental about it. Just because it isn’t us getting paid the big bucks for a reality show or a pimp my ride show, doesn’t mean we should stoop to being jealous and grudging of those who have them.

  128. gidget  July 20th

    Yes, it is how Justice was served. But don’t forget, he was found guilty in a Civil Court and ordered to pay. It took a long while, but finally the Goldmans got their due when they were given the rights to O.J. book “If I Had Done It” and no one really cares about O.J. anymore. Remember, what goes around, comes around.

  129. Silver  July 20th

    I well remember when the Angels visted Bowling Green. Sounds like you ran into a very different chapter. Perhaps you remember what happened when the mayor stated there wouldn’t be any motorcycle racing at Beech Bend ?

    Gidget – “Being judgemental doesn’t help anyone and it is a good way to spread hatered and prejudice and it is what we teach our kids so that they are less tolerant of others.”

    Prejudice and stereotyping exists to guide all beings (animals included) away from possible problems and dangers. It’s only when prejudice is mixed with malice and bigotry that we have the common belief that prejudice is a bad thing. For instance if you happen to be a single white female dressed well in expensive clothing and striking in beauty, would you be very safe in Harlem if your Lexus broke down there at night ? No. And I believe that you would feel a prejudice against some of the people there who might make lewd comments and gestures towards you. If not then you would be well out of the norm. Does this prejudice perpetuate the conflict ? Hard to say. Most hatreds are self-perpetuating to a point.

    Finally, I’m hardly jealous of the people who are making shows such as “Pimp My Ride”. In fact I pray that they will someday find happiness in their lives as I have in mine and share their capabilities with the world in a respectful and wholesome manner so that I don’t have to explain to my children how these people are lost. Until that time they, along with people like Billy Lane, stand as shining examples of what happens to people in an amoral society.

  130. gidget  July 20th

    Or what happens to people who get too much at one time and are idolized by millions. People who have talents and abilities that others admire and would like to have. Sometimes we confuse admiration of our talents with admiration of ourselves. We get in with the wrong groups of people, believe all the hype written about ourselve and as with most young people, we think we are invincible. It sometimes leads to tragic incidents such as the one with Billy. If we can learn from it, it is a lesson and if not, then a mistake. Let us hope it has been a lesson for everyone and not just Billy.

    As for the Angels and those living in Harlem….I believe the same is true. They are expected to behave in such a manner and so they do. I have been in many such areas that were not safe to be in and have come out okay. That is not to say the situation you described would not happen, but it is better to behave as though those around you are your equal rather than beneath you and disgusting….all animals can smell fear, including man.

  131. Chloe  July 23rd

    Get over it and get your own lives.

  132. Silver  July 23rd

    Sorry you feel that we have no lives. And as to getting over it, what are you talking about ? I’m just wondering how justice is going to be served if Billy walks on this manslaughter/DUI.

  133. Chloe  July 24th

    same way it does with all the other dui’s getting away with it. I did’nt like your commit about billy being a christmas gift for creeps already in jail. I worry more about the creep that raped and buried Jessica Lundsford the 9 yr, child in Homosassa Fl. found with her little fingers sticking out of the trash bags John Couey put her in when her buried her alive. I’ve been on some of the rides to support her family and they always end up somewhere where drinking is going on. Most bikers drink and drive. Look at bikeweek. billy is not the only one doing it I am a mother and member of MADD. Billy will get his day in court and they will decide what happens to him. I am sure he has learn a lesson the hard way and regrets what he has done. Find something good to talk about.

  134. gidget  July 24th

    Very well said, Chloe

  135. Silver  July 24th

    Silver – I’m just wondering how justice is going to be served if Billy walks on this manslaughter/DUI.

    Chloe – same way it does with all the other dui’s getting away with it.

    You have to admit that most other DUI’s involving vehicular manslaughter don’t get walked away from. But then most people can’t afford the representation that Billy Lane has.

    Chloe – I did’nt like your commit about billy being a christmas gift for creeps already in jail.

    Sorry about that. Let’s change it to Trick or Treat, shall we ? Oh I’m definitely game for that !

  136. gidget  July 24th

    I have to wonder about people who want harm and suffering to come to another person. And I certainly would never want to wish harm to another because I firmly believe that what goes around comes around. I am sure that Billy’s mom loves her son as much as we love our children and no matter what our children do, we still love them. We can teach our children right from wrong, consideration of others, treat others as we wish to be treated, etc. That doesn’t mean it will stick. Silver, should a child of yours grow up, get in with the wrong crowd, and possible hurt or kill another person, will you still love him and would you try to find the money to hire the best lawyers and do all that you can so that he doesn’t have to go to jail or at least can serve the least amount of time? Of course you would, we all would…we love our children no matter what and because they are human, they don’t always obey the lessons in life that we try to teach them. I know it would be hard to imagine losing a loved one at the hands of another, but I hope I would be compassionate enough to forgive. You seem to be religious, well, Christ forgave his crucifiers as a lesson to us as to how we should behave. Compassion, tolerance, understanding and realization that there but for the grace of God goes anyone of us or our children.

  137. Silver  July 24th

    Gidget – “Silver, should a child of yours grow up, get in with the wrong crowd, and possible hurt or kill another person, will you still love him and would you try to find the money to hire the best lawyers and do all that you can so that he doesn’t have to go to jail or at least can serve the least amount of time?”

    You’re essentially stating that I would attempt to cheat justice. No. As referenced earlier, I believe in personal responsibility. Also I believe in the Rule of Law. Unfortunately these two concepts are quite foreign to the vast majority of people. If when my son grows up, he deprives another of their life outside a sanctioned act of war, I well expect him to take full and immediate responsibility for the loss just as I would myself. No blaming of other parties or circumstances. No excuses.

    Unfortunately today we see both failure to act responsibly and take responsibility when we’re wrong in virtually all walks of life. Politicians (T.Kennedy for instance) , lawyers (H.R. Clinton), businessmen (Enron), doctors and many, many more. Even the clergy has been infected by this insidious and amoral behavior. As a society we have decided that “choice” is a right but we seem to have forgotten that along with choice comes responsibility. This is THE cornerstone of an amoral society.

    Further the 6th Amendment to the U.S Constitution states “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.” We need to update this by adding something like “Further, a swift and speedy trial is in the best interest of society and unreasonable delays by council are not to be tolerated or entertained.”

    Lastly, I would like to point out that responsibility is key to all Biblical teachings starting with Adam and Eve.

  138. gidget  July 24th

    Well, it seems as if you are very sure your child will NEVER do anything against the law and if he does, he will most definitely take his punishment without trying to get out of it in any way. That is a lot to presume and it is not human nature, but should he behave in such a manner, I salute him as he would be a very special human being. I would hope that if he behaves in another manner and tries to get the least amount of punishment possible (that is if he should ever break the law) you would still love him unconditionally even though he has gone against your beliefs and teachings. If the world ran on what is right and what is wrong and everyone took their punishment for their wrongdoings, there would be no reason for wars, arguments of any kind, police, presidents, queens and kings, or rulers of any kind would not be necessary However; I believe such a perfect world will never exist and we should try our best to be forgiving and tolerant of others. You have made it clear that you don’t care for Billy. Well, there are those who do care and either know him or like him because of his skills in bike building. I hope none of your friends ever do anything wrong because they would be in danger of losing your friendship. I believe it is called being a fair-weathered friend…..with you when you behave and do as I believe you should, but gone when you do something wrong.

  139. Silver  July 24th

    There are friends and then there are acquaintances. I am very selective about who I call “friend” and one of those friends was killed by a drunk. I don’t believe the term “fair weather” is reasonable or accurate as you are either a friend or not. Yes, I suppose I’m rather “black & white” on many issues but I tend to avoid over-complicating issues more than necessary. In fact I can count the number of friends I have on one hand and I’m over 40 years old. But these friends would walk through fire for me and my family and I would do no less for them.

    Also, friendship has a common respect as its foundation. After all how can you be friends with someone you cannot respect ? And how can you respect Billy ? Just because a person has a talent and does a few good deeds, this doesn’t make them respectable. Not by a long shot. You must ask yourself “Are they truly a good person ?” and if you can’t answer this with an uncondtional “Yes !” then the answer is obvious.

    Regarding unconditional love, there simply is no such thing. Not in anyone short of Jesus anyway. Even there “He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him…If a man love Me, he will keep My words: and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make Our abode with him.” — John 14:21-23″. Sounds pretty conditional doesn’t it ? It is !

    And yes, if we lived in a more respectful and responsible society much of this would be unnecessary. Respect and responsibility begin at home. Unfortunately we have a lot of parents who barely know the meaning of the words much less practice it. Is it any wonder we have children killing others in schools ? Mutilating their bodies with studs, rings and tattoos ? Even killing their own parents ? They don’t know respect and therefore they can’t know love !!!

    As a society, we need to stop accepting, promoting and excusing these kinds of behaviors. The way to do this is clear. Enforce the laws that are on the books to their fullest extent. Again, no excuses and no blaming the bartenders or social influences.

    Accept responsibility. It’s the first step to a respectful and responsible life. I wish Billy would try it.

  140. gidget  July 25th

    I am really awed to have conversations with you….you sound as though you are someone who has NEVER made a mistake and if you have, you ALWAYS take credit for it even if you would not have been caught. Admirable and almost God-like. You still didn’t tell me if you would still love your son/daughter if they broke the law or your commandments. Yes, commandments. It must be really hard living the perfect life with such a perfect human being. Congratulations

    I have made many errors and thank the stars I have many, many friends who would also walk through fire for me and forgive me for wrongdoings even though they didn’t approve of what I did. I am very fortunate to have true friends all across the U.S. as I have lived in quite a few of the states. They accept me with my flaws of being human, not always making the right choices, taking the consequences of my actions, etc. I would rather have my friends laughing over my grave remembering the good and the bad times we had than saying I was an a**hole who had such high standards. I, fortunately, cannot count my friend on my hands and feet added together because I have too many. This was evident after my family went through hurricane Katrina in Gulfport, MS. Thank the heavens, the stars, God, the Powers That Be and anything else you can think of for the friends I had. We didn’t even have to tell any of them that we lost everything, they started emailing asking what we lost and what we needed and then started sending things along with money. There are many good people in this world and some of them even do bad things now and then. I love them all….the good, the bad, and the ugly.

    I know you lost a good friend to a drunk driver; I am glad it was only one as I have lost several. Rather than condemn, we need to write stricter laws and have JUDGES who enforce them. It is not Billy’s fault if he doesn’t go to jail……THE JUDGE MUST HAND DOWN THE SENTENCE AND MAKE IT STICK!!!!!!! I can guarantee you, Billy will be afftected by this for the rest of his life and will always regret his behavior.

    Give it a rest and stop condemning Billy and work to vote in a better judicial system with Judges who will carry out sentences to the full letter of the law.

  141. Chloe  July 25th

    Well you seem to think money can get you out of dui’s wrong I bought property from a dui manslaughter (didn’t know at the time) creep who walked he can’t drive but he does in fact he has bought many trucks even the cops say he can’t drive uses my address and phone # he had a public defender did’nt serve time in jail and is ripping off people all over town while driving his truck that they keep showing up at my door to repo it. Gets visa cards and they call my number to find him. The cops say theres nothing they can do about this so he goes an commiting crimes and is free to keep drinking and driving. They told me theres no law to provent him from using my address and phone# so I feel billy should use his resorces to do what he needs to do. I know of 3 childred killed by dui’s their crosses still are on the side of the road those guys are still driving. Is this justice? I will wait for his court date and see what happens. In the mean time I will pray this kind of thing will stop. Trick or treat thats not funny. Never know it could happen to you someday.

  142. gnbama  July 25th

    Can someone tell me please what the status of Billy Lane is at this time? Was he indicted for DUI/manslaughter? When is the trial? I think someone said he wasn’t ‘lawyered up’is this correct? If someone will write me a synopsis of the entire event,I will greatly appreciate it.

  143. Silver  July 25th

    Last I heard (read) it was God that wrote the Commandments through Moses. Twice in fact. I simply write a few posts to the internet, build a few websites and try to help where I can. And as previously noted, I’ve made my share of mistakes however I’ve never put someones life in danger through choices I’ve made or forgotten my responsibilities to my wife, my children, my family, my church and my community.

    Personally I wouldn’t count on “friends” that would forgive me if I had committed murder. Also, none of my friends are alcoholics or drug abusers. Just one of my little quirks I guess but I don’t want people like that around my family. At all. And this would include family members who abuse such things as well. In fact while I love my cousin dearly, we won’t go to her home as she smokes cigarettes like a freight train at full steam.

    Chloe – “In the mean time I will pray this kind of thing will stop.”

    I do as well but I try to go a few steps further. We all have a choice. The trick is to help those that are confused make the right choice. Be a good parent and contribute where you can.

    “Trick or treat thats not funny. Never know it could happen to you someday.”

    I do know and it won’t happen. I removed that possibility long ago. I made a choice. Billy made a choice. You make a choice. We are each responsible for these choices. Don’t dismiss responsibility. Uphold it as you uphold love for your family and friends. Guard them with your life if needed as they don’t deserve less. But don’t support those that would take them from you. How would you feel if Billy took one of your family members ? You son or daughter ?

    gnbama – Billy is definitely “lawyered up” if this means that he is spending a huge amount of money on his defense. Obviously this is simply to look for any loophole that might get his butt out of the proverbial sling. In fact Billy has retained not only Kepler Funk of Funk, Szachacz & Diamond, LLC. but also Robert Ralph Berry of Eisenmenger, Berry & Peters, P.A. Essentially this added team of lawyers have simply delayed the process and are quoted as saying “There’s work that we need to do that is ongoing,” – Robert Berry. “These (types of cases) take whatever time they take, and the court’s always interested in giving people a fair trial, especially with the penalties involved in a case like this.”. Yeah. Cases where lawyers are looking for some virtually insignificant detail so that they can get their clients off. To the best of my knowledge there is no trial date set at this time though there is another sounding on September 21st. I wish the Morelocks civil case would progress as a guilty versict could remove funds from Billy’s legal arsenal.

    In the last 30 minutes someone, somewhere has been killed in an alcohol-related automobile accident. Someone else will die in just 10 more minutes. Make a choice. Stop the clock. Stop drunk driving.

  144. gidget  July 25th

    Have a good life Silver. You are intolerant of others and place yourself in higher esteem than everyone else. You see you and yours as doing no wrong. As I said earlier, I had a very good friend (my brother’s brother-in-law) killed by a drunk driver who happened to be a friend of both families. We forgave him and helped him to get the help he needed for his drinking problem. He still has nightmares to this day about the accident that killed his best friend. He was drunk, doing over 120 miles per hour and passed two cars hitting Jerry head-on. Jerry was hit so hard that the handle bars of his bike were ripped off of his bike, and his left arm ripped from his body. He was thrown 440 feet through the air and through a billboard and the hood of the 1958 Chevy looked like an accordian. Another set of friends of ours was killed by a drunk driver leaving 3 children without either parents. I could go on as I have had more friends killed by drunk drivers. Condemning the offenders isn’t the way, getting help for them and getting laws changed with judges who then enforce the laws and hand down not just jail time, but serious counseling and help for the alcohol/drug abuser.

    But, as I said, you have a good life because you are too perfect to ever have compassion for anyone because they made a wrong choice. But then, that is what the Bible tries to teach us….compassion, tolerance, and trying to help those of us who are not perfect.

  145. Silver  July 25th

    I do have a good life and no, I’m not particularly tolerant. Tolerance allows for interpretation and interpretation allows for perversion. Look at the Congressional trial of Bill Clinton for instance.

    Yes, I have a good life, I have two wonderful children, an absolutely awesome wife and a home in a town where crime is virtually non-existent. I will help keep it that way. Perfect ? Not quite. I have a “crotch rocket” that seems to need more maintenance than any vehicle I’ve ever owned. Funds are more than a little tight since my wife is working only part time. But this is the life we chose. We chose to raise a family in a very traditional and loving manner. We chose to home-school our children rather than have them brain-washed by the NEA in their Prussian school systems. I chose to do what is necessary to provide that life for my wife and children even though it means I have to work 3rd shift, commute 120 miles per day and work all the overtime I can dig up. Would I prefer to be building “choppers” for the glitteratti at $50,K apiece ? NOT ON MY LIFE !

    As I said, I have a good life. A life I chose in consensus with my wife. Billy chose his. Billy was warned and he chose to ignore that warning. As a result a good person has lost his life. The responsibility is Billy’s and he obviously isn’t accepting it.

    Regarding tolerance and compassion, you’re right but like so many lessons in the Bible there are dichotomies.

    “Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.” – Ephesians 4:31

    One thing I would hope you understand, I’m not actually angry at Billy even though he drank, drove and killed Gerald Morelock. But I thoroughly deplore the fact that he won’t stand up and take responsibility for it. As I wrote earlier “Accept responsibility. It’s the first step to a respectful and responsible life.”. Want to see me change tone real quick ? Get Billy to own up to his responsibilities. Heck I could even see him being a rehabilitative tidal wave for the majority of bikers that lead the same lifestyles that he has ! Can you imagine the impact that would have ? But he just won’t do it. It’s like he’s built this image up of himself and he can’t put it down. I could be wrong but in my opinion that’s self-serving cowardice. Much like the lawyers that he has hired attacking G. Morelock because he had a BAC over the .08 allowed by law. Much like the bikers that attacked him because “he wasn’t riding a real bike” !

  146. gidget  July 25th

    Silver, as I said, have a good life. You seem to think I am attacking Mr. Morelock because he was on a scooter and not a “real bike”. Not so. But it is very stupid and dangerous to ride a “real bike” while intoxicated, so how much more to ride a scooter with practically no power to get you out of the way or to slow down traffic because it can barely do the speed limit? What I am saying is that it is hard enough to compete with much faster and larger vehicles while sober…let alone while intoxicated. Would you be as vehemently opposed to Mr. Morelock had he been the one who hit a child and killed them while on his scooter intoxicated? I think not. I think you pick on Billy because unlike you and most of the rest of us he hit it big and is making big bucks and not working 3rd shifts or overtime and were he married, his wife wouldn’t have to work. He is under contract to a TV station, the Dodge Corp., and to his employees and so he has lawyers who give him advice. He is human and not perfect. None of us know what is going on in his mind or what he will actually do when he does go to trial. And should the case be settled out of court, I am sure you would continue to condemn him even though the other side would gain lots of money and settle. Two wrongs and still it wouldn’t bring Mr. Morelock back.

    As I said before, good life to you, sir. You live in your bubble with your choices. Good for you. I may not like the real world, but I prefer living in it and trying to find ways to keep things such as this from happening again such as changing laws, getting real help for alcohol/drug abusers, decent law enforcement and judges who will uphold laws. I would rather try to be a remedy for the problem and not the cause because of my narrow-mindeness and intolerance of others.

    Good day and good life, sir

  147. Silver  July 25th

    The remedy is to build a better society, one child at a time, one family at a time and one community at a time. It’s called “grass roots” and it’s far more powerful than lobbying our corrupt politicians and judges.

    I never said that you were attacking Mr. Morelock. I said that you are supporting Billy Lane even though he is abdicating his responsibility. I could care less if he settles in or out of court. And if someone is stupid enough to pay $50,K for one of his poorly performing pieces of junk then I suggest he take their money. I certainly don’t begrudge him that either. But I’ll be quite glad the day that he picks up a mic on TV and says “I screwed up. I chose to drink and drive and that choice killed a man named Gerald Morelock.”

  148. Silver  July 26th

    By the way, the Yamaha Riva 180 that Morelock was riding had a top speed of 70 mph.

  149. gidget  July 26th

    Too fast to ride on when inebriated with no protection should you be hit. And we would have to assume it was in top working order to even reach that speed.

  150. gidget  July 26th

    Yes, I am supporting Billy because he is a friend. Yes, he screwed up, made a bad choice, a drove while intoxicated and probably to impress the girl he was with. It is easy to lay blame on one person. We don’t know the whole story, we don’t know if he was being goaded into “seeing what this baby can do” or hurry we have to get there, or whatever. We don’t know WHAT happened. I do not desert my friends because the screw up and I certainly don’t believe that I am all wise and almighty that my children will be the next God-like person because I taught them MY beliefs in how to be the perfect person. What is perfect to you, may not be so perfect to someone else and they may certainly poke holes in your teachings. Pride ALWAYS goeth before the fall. Be careful who you condemn and for what you are condemning them for….someone near and dear to you could one day fall from grace even with your “I am perfect and teach my kids to be also” attitude. The kids I know who gave the communities they grew up in the most trouble were preacher’s kids. Too much strictness allows for some to want to know freedoms….even if those freedoms could lead them into trouble.

    End of my correspondence with you. You are one of those persons who think that if you were to open up your mind and be a little more tolerant, your brains would fall out. Yes, I do give you credit for brains….just not sure you put them to the best use. Your problem and not mine.

  151. Silver  July 26th

    We don’t know the whole story ? There are 24 people being called by the prosecution that all say the same thing ! He was traveling at an extremely high rate of speed, he passed two cars and was about to pass a third while driving in a no passing zone. Morelocks bike was operating at exactly 2’5″ from the white line on the right side of the road. Billy Lane struck Gerald Morelock head-on with the right front of the Dodge pickup after trying some kind of a vain “S” turn. Morelock’s Yamaha scooter was thrown west upon impact, coming to rest sixty-four feet away. Morelock’s right leg was torn from his body and he was killed instantly.

    The Dodge truck that was being operated by Billy Lane continued onto private property and started to overturn, striking three palm trees and knocking them over. The truck continued to overturn, traveling two hundred and four feet (!!!!), striking a power pole with its undercarriage and knocking it over. At this point it finally came to rest on top of the power pole on the northbound side of State Road A1A.

    What more do you need to know ? And this, the obviousness of the facts, in itself is another reason people find this so revolting. Something this plain and simple should have been resolved withing 30 days of the accident. 60 days at the outside. The only reason it hasn’t been is that Billy has been buying time through legal machinations. In short this is yet another example of how the legal system has been bought !

    Now you just keep on supporting Mr.Lane. Even while you’re criticizing those that choose to lead considerate and responsible lives.

  152. gidget  July 26th

    I hope you NEVER sit on a jury because you couldn’t judge without predjudice or malice. I don’t have to care for what Billy did nor do I have to agree with his plea of not guilty, but I can hate the crime and still like the person. He is using a legal system that we, the people, have set into place. You are angry with Billy, why not be angry with a system that allows laws to be broken time and again? Why not be angry with judges who allow people to walk because the can pay?

    You are constantly bringing up how much he gets for his choppers. The Teuttles and Jesse James get a whole lot more than that. And yes, the have had their scrapes as well but haven’t killed anyone yet. It could happen to them, to anyone. You just seem so angry that you don’t have the money to manipulate the system and you take it out on Billy. You are also assuming that he is going to get out of this. Well aren’t you all powerful that you can see the future.

    We don’t know you, but everyone knows who Billy is or have at least heard of him. You might accidentally kill someone someday too. We wouldn’t know because we don’t know you from Adam! We only have YOUR word that you would admit it and take your punishment. You aren’t in the limelight so we would never know.

    Stop your b**ching about Billy and what he is pleading or not pleading and work to change the laws. Actually DO something and be a part of the cure!

  153. Silver  July 26th

    My apologies. I thought that you could be disillusioned. I see that this was wrong. You have a blind friendship that is not based on trust or respect. You do not care if the person you call “friend” is a good person or not.

    As to “actually doing something”, as previously stated I am doing exactly what I believe to be appropriate. I am raising my family in a very traditional and loving manner. I contribute as best I can with both funding and effort to both our community and our church.

    You continue to imply that I am jealous of the money that Billy makes from his bikes. Frankly I have no idea if the man is even making a profit. Many business have a high cash-flow but are not making money. Anyway, I can assure you in no uncertain terms that I value money only for what good I can do with it and one thing I would never, ever do is to become a morally bankrupt spectacle such as Billy Lane !

  154. gidget  July 26th

    As I said before, we don’t know you; therefore we have only your word that you would never be morally bankrupt. Being tolerant and compassionate are very good qualities. But then you wouldn’t know that. You are perfect in your perfect world and you never do wrong. How nice.

  155. Silver  July 26th

    Love and respect are at the base of all “good qualities”. You cannot have one without the other. You cannot have respect without responsibility. Compassion is simply love for your neighbor, Biblically speaking, and the unconditional love we show to children is more of an affection rather than true love. Again, you cannot have love or compassion for anyone you cannot respect. Compassion without respect is in fact sympathy.

    “You are perfect in your perfect world and you never do wrong. ”

    “Doing wrong”. It’s good that you put it that way. I definitely make a few mistakes every day but of course the degree and type of error is key. And I do attempt to “do no wrong” every day and in fact I attempt to do right as much as possible. Again I do this by contributing to my family, my church and my community. In fact at this moment I’m repairing and upgrading a computer for a local non-profit art center. An art center that provides many children with entertainment and many adults with exposure to arts they might never experience otherwise.

    Unfortunately it’s quite obvious that you’d rather have someone like Billy Lane for a friend than someone such as myself who believes in personal responsibility, respect and true love. Don’t feel alone though as this puts you in with the majority of people in America today. People that want to remove God from their lives, people that watch sensationalistic TV shows and the same people that evidently seem to have little trouble in overlooking crimes like vehicular manslaughter when it involves one of their idols. In short people that make up a very amoral society.

  156. gidget  July 26th

    I would rather have friends that are human rather than those I know I could never live up to their standards and have themselves so high above everyone else. You come off as pious and above anyone and everything else. I love my children unconditionally and if one of them did something such as Billy, it would tear my heart out. But I would NEVER not be there for him/her when they needed my love, support, and help even if I could never understand what they did. I am very glad that you are able to say that they broke the law, so stand up, admit it and take your punishment. How very pious. I have said some things to you that have come out of your Bible such as compassion, tolerance, loving your neighbor as you love yourself, forgiveness, etc. You are a shining example of why I don’t believe in your Bible. More wars have been started in the name of a God, more murders committed because some fanatic said “God told me to do it”, incest because Lot took his daughters into the mountains after the fall of Sodom and Gomorrah and began a new nation, or a person was never allowed to stand trial because someone who believed an eye for an eye took matters into his/her own hands. Politicians who lie to their countrymen to begin wars so they can pillage and plunder others, who spy and then lie about the reasons for it, who commit treason because another power offered them riches. Your Bible says that you can stand at the center of the earth and view all four corners of the earth and it also says that the sun rotates around the earth. Really?
    And you know that verse that refers to doing unto others as you would have them do unto you? That came from Budha almost 500 years BEFORE Christ. Taking a life is wrong whether intentionally or accidentally. Yes, Billy should admit that he was wrong and that he did it, but is it really up to us to punish him or as it says in your Bible, is it up to God? I believe that no matter what we do to him, his inner self will punish him more than we ever can. You see his outside, NOONE can see inside his head or his heart.

    As for the war that is going on in Iraq right now, that is a Holy War to the Islams. My stepdaughter is Mormon and when she told them she was going into the Army to do her part, the church told her not to. So, I guess she should sit back and let others die for her. It is okay to go to war when it is for the church (such as the Crusades), but not for anything else. Freedom isn’t FREE; someone always dies for it because someone else’s belief in a God, greed, power, or wanting what someone else has. We are sending men and women to die in a country that doesn’t want us there and whose people have been fighting each other for thousands of years and whose very religion doesn’t permit a democracy! Our nation is being invaded by thousands of illegals a month and our military is too busy trying to protect the borders of other countries rather than ours. Why? GREED and POWER!! Our president wants the riches of that country and he wants to prove he is a world leader. Because he talks to God…when asked why he didn’t ask his father why he didn’t invade Bagdad, he told reporters he “spoke to a higher power” about it.

    Yes, your Bible, if you really want to read it, is the best book in the world. It has been called a book of parables, not real, but an example of how we should live. Well, it is a book that has everything in it that we buy books to read today. It has war, murder, incest, rape, mystery, adultery, theft, land-grabbing and on and on. It even can tell us that we should stone a prositute to death! Of all of the people in the bible, Solomon, Esther, Noah, Ruth, Abraham, Christ, Joseph, Matthew, Paul, Luke and Mark, just to name a few, can you find any of their graves? No one has ever been able to prove anyone mentioned in the Bible other than true historic figures, ever lived. I am not saying that perhaps there isn’t a god, I do believe in higher power, but I also believe as Budha, we should treat everyone as we ourselves want to be treated. We never know what could befall us and would need the kindness and forgiveness of our fellow man.

    I commend you for what you are doing for your art center. How about finding a poor family in your area and buying groceries for them or find a single mom and become a “father figure” to her children and allow your children to be their “siblings” and teach by showing and doing rather than condemning? How about the widow in town who can’t afford repairs to her house, or the old man who can’t drive and needs help walking and hasn’t been on a Sunday drive in ages or able to get to and sit in the park just to admire nature and his fellow man? Commendable that you contribute as you do, but how about when no one knows you did anything such as simply being kind and understanding and helpful to someone in your community? But we don’t get noticed for that do we? And when someone does do something to give back to his fellow man and doesn’t receive a lot of notice for ALL he has done, we want to hang him the minute he falls from grace! I don’t have to respect what Billy did, but I do respect him for other things he has done. He has done many things for his community and for people inside his community and elsewhere that has never been told of and yet because he got to much too soon and like most young people, believed himself invincible and never thought something like this would happen to him, we now forget all he has done and hang him. Billy has a problem separating himself from his personna and he needs understanding and help, but of course, that is beyond you, right? I don’t know what Billy was thinking when this all happened and why he would even drive while so intoxicated, but it happened. We put people on pedestals and they sometimes fall (most times, actually), but we put them there. Perhaps someone should put a reality TV show on the air showing what drinking and driving can do. You say it wouldn’t sell? How many people watch amazing police chases that end up with a terrible crash or someone being killed? Must be quite a few because they are on the air. Would it really help? I don’t know, but it might be worth it. You are harping on Billy; what about Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, Charlie Sheen, Robert Downey, Jr., and Whoopi Goldberg’s daughter, just to name a few? They all had too much and were exposed to excess and have paid dearly for it. We hear about them because they are either celebrities or relatives of celebrities. This happens to ordinary people as well. There is an over abundance of drugs and alcohol in our country and not enough laws or law enforcement to control them nor enough education about what their influence can do to us and our bodies. We need strong, loving guidence as children by parents who really love and care for us. Trouble is, in most families both parents work and the children are left on their own. We give them computers, TVs, play stations, cell phones and leave them to their friends and those they meet in chat rooms or online and then expect them to make wise choices. We don’t explain downfalls of excess or talk to them and explain what could happen with bad choices; no, we’re too tired or have other things to do or just can’t be bothered right now. It has been said many times that before the sixties we didn’t have these problems. Yes we did; just not to the extent we have them today. Mom stayed home and actually took part in what her kids were doing, knew where they were, who they were with and checked up on them. It has said because the Bible and Lord’s Prayer are no longer allowed in schools, it has lead to our children behaving very badly. Could it be that or could it be that the family has disentigrated and children are feeling as though they have no guidance and no one who cares about them or what they do? “Hey, I just shot up my school! NOW will you listen to me?!” It has been quoted in Africa that it takes a village to raise a child, that is so true. If everyone in a community cared about everyone else in the community and treated them as they wanted to be treated, then values come back because the children learn that others care and there are consequences to their actions. Condemning doesn’t help.

  157. Silver  July 26th

    You call committing vehicular manslaughter a “fall from grace” ? A plunge might be a little closer to the mark !

    As to “I would rather have friends that are human rather than those I know I could never live up to their standards “, it’s not a matter of living up to someones standards. It’s a matter of doing the right thing whenever possible. Making the right choices and taking responsibility for your actions. And as you note, freedom isn’t free. The cost of freedom is responsibility.

    “Yes, Billy should admit that he was wrong and that he did it, but is it really up to us to punish him or as it says in your Bible, is it up to God? ” It’s up to the law here on Earth and up to God in Heaven. My personal desire is simply to see him admit his guilt to the public. Do you consider that a punishment ?

    Unfortunately I have to run. I have to deliver the PC over to the art center and then get back in time to go pull another 12 hour day.

    We have many common points of view however we continue to differ on personal responsibility. That’s where this started and that’s where it ends.

  158. gidget  July 27th

    You seem to have only a sense of responsibility to yourself. And you see most others as being beneath your expectations. Go try doing something that you don’t get credit for sometime….you know, do something for someone who doesn’t know you did it. I think you do things just to hear them say thanks or so that they can say “Look what so and so did for us! He didn’t even charge us, isn’t that so nice and commendable?”. Do something that you can’t take credit for or praise for and then I might think you a little more righteous!

  159. gidget  July 27th

    And Silver, the cost of freedom is someone being willing to die to give us our freedoms. Both my brothers served their time (my oldest being in Korea and youngest in Viet Nam), my husband served in Korea, his daughter is now serving and will go to Korea. Unless there are health issues, everyone should be courageous and proud enough to defend their country. Freedom isn’t about just responsibility, it is about doing what is right and defending what is ours. Are you brave enough? Our president wasn’t……he hid behind daddy’s power as president to keep from fighting.

  160. Silver  July 27th

    Freedom without responsibility and direction is anarchy. Much as your thoughts are anarchical. Chaotic. Even despiteful. And you continue to blame everyone for everything rather than discuss the subject of this venue. “Chopper builder Billy Lane involved in accident killing motorcycle rider.”. I assure you that society isn’t responsible for Billy Lanes actions.

    If Billy Lane was even half a man he would step up and address the families of the man that he killed. He would change his plea to guilty and beg for the mercy of the courts. His lawyers could negotiate a reasonable sentence in return for Billy using his notoriety to help others avoid the same situation that he’s in right now. He could help save someones life. But he’s not willing to do that. As best I can tell he’s hoping his lawyers will find some legal loophole which will allow him to slide out of doing time. It’s funny that it’s called the “criminal justice system”. Where’s the justice for Gerald Morelock ?

  161. gidget  July 27th

    As I said, you sound bitter and resentful and hateful because someone with money may “beat the system” that WE the people have approved. You have presumed he won’t do anything to help others see that what he did was wrong, you presume that just because his attorneys enter a not guilty plea that he agrees with it. Why not wait until the trial, the sentencing and the events that take place AFTER said trial before judging? Oh, but you are the judge of people because you are so much more righteous than everyone else, right?

    And NO ONE said others were responsible for Billy’s actions. I said we, as a society, are responsible for not pushing for new laws, stiffer sentences and the electing of officials who will see that justice IS served. Get off of your “I am holier than you and more rigtheous” attitude!

  162. Blonde Country Girl  July 27th

    I don’t blame the man for not wanting to go to jail. Whatever happens in this case. He will pay every day.

    Taking someone one’s life regardless of the situation. “You pay” especially an accident like this one “A fellow biker.” It has to eat at him every second of the day. His love, His life, was built on motorcycles and to kill a brother. He’s judged his self already guaranteed.

    I’ve done my own share of drinking and driving when I was younger and I can only “Thank God” for that not being me. Drinking impairs your judgement of right and wrong. Billy going to jail for the rest of his life is’nt going to change anything. But him carrying the quilt and making a difference now could. This was an eye opener for him. No one’s invincible! Everyone has to pay! Lives change at a drop of an hat!

    Billy’s Bad Boy image sold bikes. That image over took him. The seduction of power, fame, and money could overtake any of us.

    This is just a comment from an imperfect person. Someone that has made bad judgements in the past. I pay for them everyday. So will HE!!!!

  163. gidget  July 27th

    Blonde Country Girl, you are the kind of person I would love to meet. You said it all very well. It is easy to judge others, but can we judge ourselves should the same thing happen to us. We all like to think we would, but…… Of course, there are some out there who believe they would never plead not guilty when they know they are.

  164. Silver  July 27th

    One thing you can say for all this, it helped him get a haircut! ;>)

  165. gidget  July 27th

    I saw nothing wrong with his hair. I wouldn’t wear it nor would my husband, but it was always clean and it looked good on him. Get over your fixation with Billy and his personna

  166. Silver  July 27th

    LOL ! If there was nothing wrong with it then why did he get it cut ? And as to my supposed fixation, he’s now the face that I will always associate with the chopper riders. Living near Nashville I get to see a lot of them along with the wannabes. Helped one of them one night when he drove off the road and through a barbed wire fence. Good thing I always carry a Leatherman.

  167. Blonde Country Girl  July 27th

    Gidget don’t let the words of other’s get to you!!! Especially when they are trying to provoke you!!!

    Your Billy’s friend and obviously a good one.

    Nothing you say will ever change Silver’s mind. He must of lived in a different world than the rest of us.

    Most people fear what’s different or strange to them. Other’s like us embrace the differences and complexities that makes the world a more colorful place. People like Billy give us color.

    I hate he abused his life like so many others that can make a difference, but he will overcome it.

    I thank God everyday for living and allowing me one more day. I drive an hour to work then back an hour. I work 12 hour days myself and when I see someone that has beaten the odds and breached the boundaries of the common 9 to 5 day or 7 to 7 for me I feel good for them. Especially when it’s from something they love and have passion for.

    Just remember you make a difference every time your there for Billy and he’ll remember that when this is all said and done.

  168. Blonde Country Girl  July 27th

    Oh yeah, I liked his hair.

  169. Silver  July 27th

    And his tattoos as well ?

  170. Silver  July 27th

    And American Idol ?

  171. Blonde Country Girl  July 27th

    Yes Sir, I like the tattoo’s and I don’t do american idol. However I do admire that the man made something out of nothing. He did what most people only dream about. He made his dream a reality. The Underdog come out on top for a change.

    I regret that he chose the wrong path to follow once he had obtained his dream. That path has destroyed him. He doesn’t need you to do that for him. He’s lost everything he’s worked for.

    I work every day and have a degree in Nursing. I worry everyday about my job and how could I live and take care of my son if I didn’t have it. I work short staffed every day and wonder… Is this going to be the day that something happens and I’m going to held liable. Even though it’s not my fault that were short staffed and that I’ve called my supervisor and begged for help. Just that fear alone is like two bricks on each shoulder.

    I cannot imagine the fear or stress of what he is going through each and every day. Knowing that he has hurt people’s family because of a death that shouldn’t have happened, because he was reckless. Don’t you realize… YOU WON… HE IS SUFFERING!!! What do you want BLOOD!!!

    Have you ever lived in fear?

    Have you ever lived with guilt?

    If you said yes to either of those then you know he is in his own personal HELL?

    Nobody here is saying he didn’t do it!

  172. gidget  July 27th

    Well, aren’t you just the good Samaritan. Billy probably got his hair cut on the advice of his lawyer because of biased, holier-than-thou, narrowminded people such as you

  173. Silver  July 27th

    BCG – “Nobody here is saying he didn’t do it!”

    Yeah but last I looked he is.

    gidget – “Well, aren’t you just the good Samaritan.”

    Yeah I know. But really I just didn’t want the bulls getting out. They tend to get in my way.

    gadget -”Billy probably got his hair cut on the advice of his lawyer because of biased, holier-than-thou, narrowminded people such as you”

    So much for “To thine own self be true”, eh ? !!

    Now didn’t you’re mama ever tell you to stop diggin’ when you reach the bottom of the hole ?

  174. gidget  July 27th

    Blonde Country Girl, thank you for your kind words. I am just trying to be the friend that I would hope others would be to me. I do genuinely like Billy. My husband and I met him several years ago along with Indian Larry. Both proved to be very gentlemanly, soft-spoken, and genuine people.

    You can never convince someone with a black heart that there is good in everyone. They hide behind their religious beliefs and refuse to see other than what they presume to be right. Now don’t get me wrong; I am not against religion or saying that the religious are bad people. I am saying that sometimes they take their beliefs too far and to the extreme and that perhaps the seed of jealousy is growing deep inside of them and they need to extinquish it. Condemning others seems a good way to them.

    Let us keep the good thoughts, pray, use positive energy or whatever each of us wants to call it, that one day/night as Silver is riding home from work and is tired from working overtime and doing good deeds for others, that he doesn’t make a mistake that takes some else’s life.

  175. gidget  July 27th

    Yeah, she did. However, I hate to give up on you down there! I am trying to help you to come up and out so you can see the light.

  176. Silver  July 27th

    Thanks for trying. ;>)

    As to “You can never convince someone with a black heart that there is good in everyone. ”

    There is definitely good in every person. The thing is will they use it. Do you think Billy will ? Can he take responsibility and drop this charade that he’s playing with the legal system ?

  177. gidget  July 27th

    Don’t you think we should wait and see just what he does rather than saying we know what he will do? Tell me, would you be this indignant if the roles had been reversed and it was Mr. Morelock who killed Billy? I think not. I think that little green-eyed monster of jealousy is somewhere inside you and you are trying to convince yourself that you are above such feelings

  178. Silver  July 27th

    You’re wrong about the jealousy. I’ve got two great kids and a wonderful wife in a small town in Tennessee. What’s billy got ? A lot of people paying him lip service, maybe enough notoriety to get on TV again someday and a lot of headaches to deal with. And nobody to share it with. Yeah, I don’t think I’m gonna be jealous of that !

    As to Morelock killing anything, I doubt it. From everything I’ve read about the guy he was about as non-violent as they come. I don’t know a lot of “bad asses” riding scotters, do you ?

  179. Silver  July 27th

    Oh and it’s been almost a year. How much longer do you think it would be before Captain Dreadlocks steps up to bat ?

  180. gidget  July 27th

    I know and have read of “bad asses” who didn’t even drive. What qualifies being a bad ass to you?

    Jealous, yes, I believe you are because there are people who still care about Billy. To have friends who stand beside you and support you is a great thing. Doesn’t mean they agree with what you did, but they are there for you and hope you will get the help you need and will help you get it. You seem to believe that if someone behaves badly and does something wrong, they are no longer worthy. Is that what YOUR bible teaches you? Too bad.

    As for Mr. Morelock not hurting anyone, I never said he did. I just asked if the roles had been reversed, if you would condemn him as much as you do Billy. I think you just hate Billy because as Blonde Country Girl said, he made it big and finally got his dream. He doesn’t have to struggle to make ends meet and he has money to help others and our soldiers and doesn’t have to worry if he can afford it or not or if he is going to be too tired to go to work. He made a bad choice, he will pay the rest of his life. You nor anyone else will ever know the true extent of that suffering.

  181. gidget  July 27th

    Your bitterness just SHINES through. Is it because someone took someone else’s life (even though unintentionally)or is it because you don’t like Billy and this is your way to get YOUR 15 mins. of glory; using your righteousness to condemn someone else. Well, as YOUR bible says, “judge not lest ye be judged”!!!!

  182. gidget  July 27th

    Oh, Silver, as for the tattoos. What is wrong with them? My youngest daughter has a few. Yeah, they aren’t huge and in plain site much….she has an infinity on the inside of her forearm and one on her hand that are constantly in view, but the rest of them are mostly of Egyptian design, such as the eye of Ra, and of course she has a small Snoopy and Woodstock on her shoulder. Her church thinks they are tasteful, her new husband (who doesn’t have any) and his family think they are cute and what makes her who she is. She works for a large insurance firm in Little Rock and underwrites insurance……..doesn’t seem to affect her job! Hmm, go figure! You seem to be the type of person who judges others by how they look; you might just miss meeting a lot of very interesting people in your lifetime that way. My daughter had a 4.0 grade average all through school and a 3.9 in college and was on the dean’s list her entire stay in college and she worked two jobs, paid her own tuition and had her own apartment as well as paying for all of her text books and materials needed for college. Did you know that Billy has a college degree as well?

  183. Blonde Country Girl  July 27th

    Silver You must have never had to fight for your life before…. I have!

    You say anything! You do anything! To Live!!!!

    And I’d be fighting too!

    This is my last comment to you. I’ve lived with people like you every day of my life.

    People like you take all the happiness from everyone they know.

    Quote me all day long!!! And judge yourself later.

    I’m Done!

  184. gidget  July 27th

    Very well said Blonde Country Girl. We never know what we would do until put in the same or similar situation. We all know what we HOPE we would do, but the fight or flight syndrome is put into our brain when in the womb. I would hope one day to get to meet you, but since the odds on that are small….just know that I would be very proud and honored to be your friend. And yes, you would have my respect for your compassion, tolerance, and caring of and for others. May you have many good blessings come your way.

  185. Silver  July 28th

    What’s wrong with tattoos ? Oh nothing a laser can’t fix ;>) It’s one thing to have something small and cute or signifying some sort of affiliation but what Billy has borderlines on irezumi. I think it looks great with this hunky rings. ;>|

    So does your daughter have a tramp stamp ? My brothers wife got one. Right before he left her. Good thing he’s a lot more open minded than me. Personally my wife comes home with one I’m breakin’ out the B&D sander !

  186. Silver  July 28th

    “Did you know that Billy has a college degree as well?” Actually I thought he had two.

  187. gidget  July 28th

    Well, now this statement clarifies everything about you. You are a very superficial and name-calling person. You label people (tramp-stamp) because they have tattoos and your love goes only skin deep. You don’t care what a person is on the inside and how much they love or give of themselves…..if they dress, wear their hair, or have marks on their bodies that you don’t approve of, they are labeled as unfit for society by you. Another reason religious, bible thumpers get bad names….people such as yourself. Glad to hear you love your wife so very much that if she got a tattoo or styled her hair in a way you don’t approve, you’d leave her. You can’t hold a candle to my husband and no, I don’t have tattoos, my hair is short and always clean and well kept, and I don’t wear flamboyant or exposing clothes, but then, my hubby judges people by the goodness of their heart.

  188. gidget  July 28th

    Yes, he does, but you were the one who insinuated he was uneducated and could only build bikes to make a living. You made it sound as if you thought him not well educated

  189. Silver  July 28th

    http://www.helmethairblog.com/entries/chopper-builder-billy-lane-involved-in-accident-killing-motorcycle-rider/

    Call it or me what you like but the common term for a tattoo across the top of the butt is “tramp stamp”. It’s been called that for at least 7~8 years that I know of. See :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_back_tattoo

    I do like the other name listed, “”Panama City license plate” ! Thats classic ! So, to be fair, I asked my wife what she called it and without any significant reference or thought she immediately stated “tramp stamp”. I also asked one of my peers at work (whose daughter has one) and he immediately called it a tramp stamp. And believe me, if there is someone that is completely non-judgmental it’s this guy ! Evidently his wife was thinking about getting one and he told her that he was cool with it as long as it took the shape of a glow-in-the-dark bullseye and had his name in an arrow pointing the way home ;>)

    By the way, does your daughter also have a thing in her thongue ? I once new a girl that had two. It was quite …. enlightening. I wonder who would hire a girl with two studs in her tongue and half a dozen posts sticking through her eyebrows ? I mean a legitimate employer, not a John.

    And I never said he was uneducated. Jeez Louise ! You’re two are really making me glad I’m homeschooling my children. Reading comprehension must be at an all time low !

    And about those “bikes”, you’d have to pay me real money to get me on one ! A shame that someone with a degree in engineering can’t build something that actually performs well. All bling and no sting.

    Now I do have to give him credit for one thing. He certainly does know how to build a real nice portable BBQ grill.

    http://www.thebeachcruiser.com/images/BillyLaneBBOBike.jpg

    Kinda puts a new spin on the phrase “flaming burrito” don’t it ?

    BCG – “Silver You must have never had to fight for your life before…. I have!”

    Heh heh ! Sit down l’il girl ! Yeah I’ve been to the wall a time or two. I didn’t always live in the country. You really take stock of your abilities when you’re staring down a 10″ blade while knowing the fool behind it is a two-time looser with nothing left to loose. Probably shouldn’t have interrupted his “fun” with old lady but then I always have been a softy at heart.

    “Quote me all day long!!! And judge yourself later.”

    LOL ! Like you haven’t already judged me ? You two seem to think you know me but believe me you have absolutely no idea. You know me far less than you think you know Billy Lane. Yep, real deep thinkers.

  190. Chloe  July 29th

    Silver I think you must be one creepy guy I loved Billys hair and I love tatoo art. I have a few and plan full sleeves If you don’t like them don’t get any. Tramp stamped you are nuts? I think someone somewhere sometime will open one big can of whoop ass on you and you need it.

  191. Silver  July 29th

    LOL ! That’s what they’re commonly called.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_back_tattoo

  192. gidget  July 29th

    Well, they are certainly better to look at than the crack that most guys show when bending over. Doesn’t mean the female wearing one is a tramp anymore than a man showing the “plumber’s crack” makes him a plumber. You really should become more open minded….honestly, your brains won’t fall out.

  193. Silver  July 29th

    I do like the other name listed, “”Panama City license plate” ! Thats classic ! So, to be fair, I asked my wife what she called it and without any significant reference or thought she immediately stated “tramp stamp”. I had also asked one of my peers at work (whose daughter has one) and he immediately called it a tramp stamp. And believe me, if there is someone that is completely non-judgmental it’s this guy !

    And I never said he was uneducated. Jeez Louise ! You’re two are really making me glad I’m homeschooling my children. Reading comprehension must be at an all time low !

    “Quote me all day long!!! And judge yourself later.”

    LOL ! Like you haven’t already judged me ? You two seem to think you know me but believe me you have absolutely no idea. You know me far less than you think you know Billy Lane. Yep, real deep thinkers.

    By the way, I spoke to my preacher and the leader of our Sunday School this morning. It made for quite interesting conversation. Particularly in light of both the sermon the preacher gave and the study in Bible School. It’s striking how life sometimes parallels right into church lessons.

    So the preacher of course, being a Baptist, tended to agree with my points. He couldn’t understand why someone might admire a celebrity covered in tattoos who’s been accused of DUI twice and murdering someone once over a gent who is a husband, father, law abiding citizen and Christian that contributes to both church and community but he said “.. the “Message of world” grows louder when people aren’t listening to the “Message of the Lord. Most people simply don’t like responsibility.” Imagine that. Sound familiar ? Other than that, we should pray for Billy and hope that he sees the light. As I pointed out earlier Billy can be a great assett if he’ll only try.

  194. Silver  July 29th

    Help Billy if you can. Help him recognize his responsibilities. Help him be the person he can be if he will only try. With all that said, I wish you all, AND Billy Lane, well.

  195. gidget  July 29th

    Of course, people of YOUR acquaintance would agree with you. You have already told us you associate only with the type of people who believe as you do. You and those you associate with are willing to label others who do not agree with you…..is this what YOUR bible teaches you? I guess so, your preacher also agrees. While growing up, my family was Baptist and I don’t remember EVER hearing any of our ministers label others as anything but sinners. As for “listening to the message of the Lord” he supposedly taught tolerance, understanding, kindness to those less fortunate and trying to help those seek true understanding that hadn’t heard the message of God”. Perhaps the ministers of the Bible today aren’t getting the word out correctly. You know, do as I preach, but not as I do. Who knows why the world today is the way it is? I believe it is because people covet what others have,are ready to condemn others, and just aren’t satisfied and thankful for what they have and what they haven’t had to go through. They don’t look inside themselves objectively and say “what have I REALLY done to make a better world and to really help my fellow man. And what I have done, did I do it because I really wanted to or to get admiration and recognition from others? Do I blow my own horn too much?

    And you never have said if you would feel the same way had the roles been reversed. You just said Mr. Morelock never hurt a soul. Well, no one who doesn’t know him, can really say that, but how would you feel had he been the one who killed Billy accidentally or even someone else because he was on the road drunk? Just answer honestly, if you can. I am beginning to think you can’t be honest about someone who isn’t in the limelight, only righteous indignation for those who are and don’t always live up to our expectations.

  196. gidget  July 29th

    I wish I could believe you wish Billy and all of us well; but I tend to believe (from all you have said) that you would only wish us well if we believed as you do.

    By the way, I came through Katrina and we lost EVERYTHING we owned except for 4 days worth of clothing. We went to a friend’s house in Florida. Our house was 2 blocks from the beach and hit by the 37 ft. wave that hit shore. We rented and had no insurance because we were put on a waiting list for rentor’s insurance. I know what materialistic means….NADA, ZIP, NOTHING. Nothing is worth more than human life. We got out of that hurricane with so much more than thousands of others did……..we got out alive.

  197. Silver  July 29th

    “And you never have said if you would feel the same way had the roles been reversed.”
    If ANYONE (including B. Lane, G. Morelock or my own mother) kills another person through reckless design or indifference, it is murder and that person should spend the rest of their natural life repaying a debt they can never fulfill. Be that in jail, in social work and monetarily.

  198. gidget  July 29th

    Let’s hope your mother never does or she will find she gets no support or understanding from you, her son. Yes, people who intentionally commit murder should stand trial and be put away for a very long time. It is a fine line we tread when we try judging others and their intent. Yes, Billy is guilty and should pay, but who are we to say how that payment should be made? We don’t know what is going through his mind and what he is feeling. You only presume to know. Are you so all-knowing and so righteous (let he who has done no wrong, cast the first stone)that you can be judge and jury for Billy and everyone else who does wrong? You are a typical fanatic who is so anxious for others to get the punishment they deserve (by your standards)that you can’t see anything because of your own hate and jealousy. You are the type of person that prosecutors want on their juries…..you can’t see a clear picture because of your own pejudices.

  199. Silver  July 29th

    I never said what his sentence should be other than “hould spend the rest of their natural life repaying a debt they can never fulfill. Be that in jail, in social work and monetarily.”. That certainly isn’t anyones jurisdiction other than the courts. And as I said earlier (do you even read this stuff ?) “His lawyers could negotiate a reasonable sentence in return for Billy using his notoriety to help others avoid the same situation that he’s in right now. He could help save someones life.”

  200. Silver  July 29th

    Oh and one thing I would state, his license to drive should be suspended for 10 years minimum.

  201. gidget  July 29th

    And how do you know they haven’t negotiated such a deal. How do you know Billy isn’t already out there telling others what can happen and what it is doing to him. OH!! It isn’t being reported, therefore it must not be happening. Maybe he hasn’t done it yet; as I said, we don’t know what is going on in his mind. Only you presume to know what he is thinking and that he doesn’t feel he is guilty because his lawyers entered a not guilty plea. We don’t live with him or inside of him, so we don’t know what is going on, but you sure are ready to condemn him and others who wear their hair differently, have tattoos, dress differently…how nice it must be to be such a pure person (I won’t use the word human as you have not shown any human emotions in your writings) that you can judge and berate others.

  202. gidget  July 29th

    Now you are setting judgment on how long he should be unable to drive. Should he never drink again, what would be the point? He wouldn’t be drinking, so why shouldn’t he be allowed to drive? Perhaps he should just have a vehicle with a permanent breathalizer on it that doesn’t allow the vehicle to start if even the least bit of alcohol is detected. And it isn’t as if he can’t afford someone to drive him. You really are a strange fanatic….saying sentence should be left up to the judges and then wanting your sentence put on him. Let the justice system try him and hand down his punishment. You could take all that Billy owns or he could go on to make more than anyone could ever spend, it will not wipe away what he did or how he is feeling. He took a human life and can’t give it back. How would you feel? You think Billy doesn’t feel badly or that he doesn’t feel remorse…….Well sir, I think he is more of a human being than you and feels it all too well!

  203. Silver  July 30th

    “Now you are setting judgment on how long he should be unable to drive”

    No. That’s Florida State law. Sorry to disappoint you.

  204. gidget  July 30th

    “Oh and one thing I would state, his license to drive should be suspended for 10 years minimum.”

    Then why did you not simply say that the Florida courts should invoke their law rather than making it sound as if it is coming from you as your opinion? Why did you not just say “Florida law requires he forefeit his license for 10 years and I agree with that law”?

    You are nit picking because someone reads what is supposedly your opinion when you are really quoting the law. Write more plainly sir.

  205. Silver  July 31st

    Looks like I was wrong.

    UI Manslaughter: Mandatory permanent revocation. If no prior DUI related convictions, may be eligible for hardship reinstatement after 5 years.

  206. Silver  July 31st

    http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/ddl/duilaws.html

  207. Silver  July 31st

    That’s posted at :

    http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/ddl/duilaws.html

  208. gidget  July 31st

    Okay. You proved your point. You are smarter and more intelligent than all of us because you keep looking for the laws that will convict Billy and keep him down. What a self-righteous, unforgiving, intolerant, perfect human being? you are! Billy will remember and relive this for the rest of his life. What he suffers mentally can never punish him more than we can. But he will serve time, pay out monies, lose his license, and not know the freedom of riding the open roads on his beloved bikes again. I really hope nothing like this ever happens to you or someone you know and love. Of course, we would never know as you are not in the limelight and we don’t know who you are. So you can come across as holier-than-thou. You have anonynimity on your side. Isn’t it funny how we can put celebrities on pedestals and then when they fall, we can say things such as “I never liked that person anyway, always thought they would come to a bad end, hope they never can go back to their livlihood again, they should lock them up forever and throw away the key”, etc. How righteous we can be when it doesn’t involve us. You know, being human, I can only say I am glad this didn’t happen to me, I hate it happened to Billy, I hate it would happen to anyone; but I hate even more that someone lost their life. And all the condemning, all of the punishment heaped onto Billy, making him pay exorbitant amounts of money will never bring Mr. Morlock back to life. And if the money paid to the family eases their pain, well they surely didn’t care that much about their loved one. Because no amount of money in the world would ease my loss of a loved one. I lost a set of twins due to the carelessness of a doctor and didn’t sue him because it wouldn’t bring my twins back. Yeah, I could have gotten a lot of money and lived better, but I still wouldn’t have had my twins. The only thing we did was to prove carelessness and he was no longer allowed to treat pregnant women. That is something I think meant more than the money…no other mother would have to lose their child. You come off as pious and righteous, use what you believe to do good and help others and show them the way instead of condemning and showing hate and jealousy. Perhaps if more people who say they believe what their bible teaches, would actually follow the good parts of that book, there would be less war, starvation, crime, etc. in the world. But we are too busy proving our religion is better than someone else’s. We forget to simply forgive, learn the lesson, and move on.

  209. Silver  July 31st

    “But he will serve time, pay out monies, lose his license, and not know the freedom of riding the open roads on his beloved bikes again.”

    It was his choice.

  210. gidget  July 31st

    Yes, Oh Mighty One, it was his choice. Like so many of us, we don’t think when we sometimes make choices. I hope your son/daughter whom you have reared so well, never makes a bad choice. As most of us know and realize, it can happen to ANY of us. Only those who think they are so pious and and clean-living and above such bad choices think it will never happen to them or theirs.

  211. Silver  July 31st

    “As most of us know and realize, it can happen to ANY of us.”

    Only if you allow it.

  212. gidget  July 31st

    And most religious fanatics believe they are above making bad choices. Pride goeth before the fall.

  213. Silver  July 31st

    Denying your responsibility as an adult does not make your actions any more acceptable nor dismiss your responsibility for the consequences.

  214. gidget  July 31st

    No, it doesn’t and hiding within your religion pretending to make the right decisions doesn’t either. Since when did your God die and leave you in charge to judge others?

  215. Silver  July 31st

    Not judging anyone. Did he do it ? Yes. 24 witnesses say so. His truck says so. The Florida State Police say so. He is responsible for the actions that he chose. All I’m saying is that he should accept that responsibility and wear with some modicum of humility. You can keep vilifying me but you cannot change history nor can you deny that what I’ve said is right.

  216. gidget  July 31st

    I can deny that it is right. I cannot deny that he made a mistake and must pay for it now. You seem to want to judge him, have the full extent brought down on him (because he is high profile and I know of drunk driver who hit a car head-on, killed all four passengers, two of them the parents of 3 children, and got off with a year’s suspension and 4 years probation and time served while waiting for trial, which was only 2 months)and are ready to cry foul and injustice if it is not. you don’t know how many have gotten off having done far more. You don’t know what good he could do going out and telling his story and perhaps stopping others from making the same mistake, you don’t know what good could come from such a tragedy. You only want to judge and say he should suffer what your opinion of the law should be. It is up to others to do that……you know, a judge and a jury. We are making all kinds of speculation as to what will happen, what should happen and what kind of person he is. There are many facets to the human race and to human beings. As the Indians say, “don’t judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes” and don’t be too ready to judge as it could happen to you or yours one day.

  217. gidget  July 31st

    OOPS!! Scratch that last sentence; you have already told me that because of your faith and teaching your children right from wrong, they would NEVER make such a mistake. I am sure there are a lot of ministers out there who felt the same way when their kids got into trouble…”this can’t happen to us, I taught my children better”!

  218. Silver  August 1st

    LOL ! You should be in law or politics ! The very first action of anyone incapable of providing a good and valid defense is to attack the aggressor. Do whatever is necessary to completely obfuscate the problem by any and all possible means. This is a trite but valid form of defense that takes fullest advantage of the key jury instruction “beyond a reasonable doubt” and as I pointed out earlier, is how O.J. Simpson was acquitted.

    “you don’t know what good could come from such a tragedy”

    Well I have one or two ideas. Let’s try a different tack here since you seem to have difficulty sticking to the issue of responsibility.

    If I were prosecuting Billy I’d get one heck of a deal going that would have him serving an absolute minimum of five years in the pen, license to drive conditionally reinstated 1 year after jail time is served and the use of a ignition interlock for 5 years after license was conditionally reinstated. The condition for reinstating license (beyond the ignition interlock would be that he serve as liaison to the biker community for groups like BADD (Bikers Against Drunk Driving), The Century Council, LifeRing, the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles and others. The length of the liaison would be max. sentence – time served x2 so that if the max sentence is 10 years in the pen and he serves 5 years, the balance of 5 years would be multiplied x2. This would be inclusive of 10 hours per week of actual service by the defendant.

  219. gidget  August 1st

    I have no problem with responsibility….it is YOU who says that Billy wouldn’t be responsible. Perhaps I should be like yourself and put tags onto people because of what they wear, how they mark their bodies, who they associate with, what they ride, etc. YOU say you ride a bike, okay, I am going to judge you just as most of you religious, do-gooder, my right to condemn bible thumpers do. YOU ride a bike, so you must be classed with bikers as all bikers are bad. And as a responsible person, I choose to let the courts try Billy rather than some holier-than-thou biker!!! I prefer to take the side of a responsible HUMAN (something you wouldn’t know about) and reserve judgement for the judicial system, stand beside my friend (which doesn’t mean I believe him to not be guilty of said crime)and hope that he does get the help he needs along with counseling for not only his drinking, but to better understand why he behaved as he did and to handle the results of the accident; namely, his taking the life of another human being. As I said before, you come across as someone who thinks they are above EVER making such a terrible error. “I’ve made my share of mistakes” you once said, but still give the impression you would NEVER make a choice such as being in a position of driving and killing someone due to your actions. Well, sir, falling asleep at the wheel can kill people too. You said you work a lot of overtime, what if you should fall asleep at the wheel and kill someone? YOUR CHOICE TO WORK OVERTIME, YOUR CHOICE TO DRIVE!! Should we feel the same about you and condemn you and call you names and speak of you as such an irresponsible human being? Yes, we all make mistakes, but we have a system that judges and punishes……..it speaks of us as humans when we don’t have compassion and forgiveness for those amoung us who have broken the laws in the worst way. And just because we have compassion and forgiveness doesn’t mean we don’t want justice served. It just means we don’t go around boasting how much better and great and pious we are and condemning others who are in the limelight and have more than we do and trying to bring them down. In the end, we all have our day of judgement and I would rather leave it to higher powers.

  220. Silver  August 1st

    “I have no problem with responsibility…”
    Not only do you have a problem with personal responsibility but you also can’t stay on-topic.

    “You said you work a lot of overtime, what if you should fall asleep at the wheel and kill someone? YOUR CHOICE TO WORK OVERTIME, YOUR CHOICE TO DRIVE!!”

    Yeah and I choose to sleep sometime so I don’t run into this problem. I’ve even been known to pull over and get a cup of coffee or breakfast at Cracker Barrel though riding on a full belly isn’t particularly comfortable.

    “Should we feel the same about you and condemn you and call you names and speak of you as such an irresponsible human being?”

    If I killed someone then I killed someone. That’s all there is too it. That’s definitely irresponsible in the extreme. As I noted earlier in this thread, the only justifications for killing someone is when involved in an action of war sanctioned by the nation state. Killing someone in self-defense is the only other occasion that might be justifiable and even then it’d have to be an extreme case.

    So would I expect to go to jail ? You betcha ! Would I waste the taxpayers monies by pleasing not-guilty ? No way. You do the crime, you do the time.

  221. gidget  August 1st

    How good that you are so pious and responsible! Good unto the world and do your good deads. You are not someone I would care to know. You are too self righteous and too condemning and judgemental of others!

    And I can keep my mind on the subject, it is just that your prattle so much about how great, good, and pious you are and how you would judge and what sentences you would give and on and on and on.

    Good bye. You, to me, are not worth time, breath, or my interest. You are an egotistical, holier-than-thou bible thumper with no tolerance, compassion, or the other things your bible teaches. You are a total waste of time

  222. Silver  August 1st

    “How good that you are so pious and responsible!”

    Responsible definitely. Pious ? Not hardly !

    “Good unto the world and do your good deads.”

    I try.

    “You are not someone I would care to know.”

    Shucks ! And I thought we were going to be bestest buddies ! Don’t worry. My hearts not too broken.

    Here’s a link you might find helpful.
    http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/chadwell/responsibility/

  223. Slowpoke  August 3rd

    I’m dissapointed in Billy,he got to believing in his own hype,bad ass,no one can mess with him,ect. he was set to self destruct.now by being arragont,not showing up in court,showing no remorse,other than feeling sorry for him self. he will go down hard.I don’t feel sorry for him,he had it made, couldn’t keep it together,now will he find the lord as so many do,to show that they aren’t all bad? Billy needs to own up,and realize he must pay

  224. Chloe  August 4th

    You Billy bashers must be very bored with your life What about all the other drunks out there. You make stupied remarks about one person and forget about the rest of drunks. Commits about his hair, money, his bikes. I envy him. Sure he made a mistake and you guys haven’t? Silver you must be the biggest jerk I have read.Maybe you will do something wrong and you can play trick or treat in jail I think that would be so funny cuz you are a jerk. Best of luck with that can of whoop ass you need. I am a mom biker and have tattos and have all the respect I will ever need from my husband daughter and friends and paster from church. You are a sick sick sick person or scum bag. Gidget don’t waste your time with this bum. He must live on the street or in a tent somewhere in scumville. C-ya

  225. gidget  August 4th

    Thank you Chloe. I am not wasting anymore time on Silver or the other bashers. What goes around, come around. What you do in this world comes back at you 10 fold; so they have theirs coming. It is narrow-minded, small thinking, jealous people who can see no wrong on their part and always wrong someone else does. I send you good, positive energy, Chole because you seem to be a person who can look beyond the wrongs that one does and see the good deep inside. Take care.

  226. Silver  August 4th

    Well here we go again. More personal attacks from those that think guys that commit murder while wearing dreadlocks and tattoos are to be respected and even envied. What in the world is going on with our country ?

    Chloe – “Commits about his hair, money, his bikes. I envy him.”

    Really ? Man that’s sad ! How shallow your life must be. Billy has little sef-respect and no family to share his life with. I think that this is part of the reason he was doing the things he was doing. He’s lonely. Been there, done that but drinking and acting like an a$$hat isn’t the answer. Guess he didn’t learn that in college. Or maybe he was too busy drinking and trying to pick up girls to pay attention to lifes little lessons.

    “Best of luck with that can of whoop ass you need.”

    LOL ! The only person I know that might be opening up a “can of whoop-ass” on me is going to be my sensei and he’s far too considerate. I remember all too well the day he asked me why I was trying to hurt him. I about crawled into the floor with embarrassment !

    “You are a sick sick sick person or scum bag.

    Yeah, real sicko. I have a family that I do what I can to give the very best I can afford. I have promised to teach and provide them with every opportunity for growth in a respectful and loving environment that is our home and our community. Our children are already a year ahead of your average day-care drop-off’s and are well regarded whenever we take them to church, our friends and families homes or even out to a restaurant for dinner. Quite the contrast to many “screamin’ demons” I’ve noticed when we visit my brothers in New Jersey.

    Yeah I must be a real sicko to want to live in a small town in Tennessee which has all those silly ol’ “traditional values” that are so wrapped up in things like faith, respect and responsibility. Guess I should see a doc about that. Of course the cure would be to move to some place like Rehoboth Beach, San Francisco or maybe even Melbourne where guys like Billy produce such wonderful works of art. Yeah that’s a really great environments to raise a family.

    “Gidget don’t waste your time with this bum. He must live on the street or in a tent somewhere in scumville.”

    Smalltown Amercica might have a few little issues but I hardly think it can be called “scumville”. In contrast when I ride into the city, the stench is more than noticeable and the panhandlers abound. Also you won’t find a “Brass Rail” or “Coyote Ugly” bar in our town. However we are having a horse show tonight. We have a place where you can go play guitar and sing with some like-minded people who tend to listen more to Allison Krauss, Alan Jackson or Kenny Chesney than to Tool. Yeah Smalltown America is just soooooooooo not cool ! Thank you Jesus !

    “What you do in this world comes back at you 10 fold”.

    Cool ! Never thought about life as a investment but I s’pose that would be one way of looking at it. Don’t think my minister will agree though. Baptist are more about faith and less about deeds.

    “I send you good, positive energy..”

    Ah. New-ager. Should have seen it. I guess you have “energy crystals” and such around your home and you believe in fairies, elfs and Mother Earth as well. That would explain a lot.

  227. gidget  August 4th

    Let’s put it this way, Mr. Know-it-all, Smart mouth; Mother Earth is the one who feeds us, provides materials for our shelter, clothing, etc. and as for your Sensei (yes, capitalized as it is a title of respect) come on out and land a can of whoop a** on my hubby and see how much your Sensei has taught you. Wayne is a 9th degree Black Belt in ChiHaw Karate, an 8th degree in Shen Chien Tao and Tai Liu Chuan Fa as will as 5th degrees in several others. He studied in Japan under real masters and not the U.S. masters who can trace their lineage only here in the U.S. Yes, even Ed Parker traced his roots to the masters in Hawaii.

    New Age…..that is what Bible thumpers tend to call others who look beyond for truth and meaning. A lot of your teachings in your bible were quoted by Budha who was born 500 years before Christ. The bible has a lot of good lessons in it, but it also has a lot of bad ones as well. Want to tell me what happened to all of those people who lived BEFORE your bible was written and the idea of one god was born? You condemn others for their believes, you think your way is the only true way. Fine, don’t push your beliefs on others.

    As for what you do in this world coming back to you 10-fold, that also includes the wrongs and condemnations you do and make to others.

  228. Silver  August 4th

    So what does your husband (by the way, anything beyond 2nd dan is political) and think of a wife who holds a murderer in high esteem while simultaneously demonizing someone who leads a responsible and considerate life committed to building family and community that has a better set of values than those demonstrated by the likes of Billy Lane, O.J. Simpson, Robert Blake and other celebrity murderers ?

    I’m very aware of the history of both Christianity and books on faith such as the Old Testament, New Testament, the Torah and the Qur’an though I must have missed the part about the crystals and Luciferic Initiation. Perhaps you could enlighten me ?

    And as to condemning others because of their beliefs, hopefully you don’t mean faith. That’s not the case at all. But as to the cult that is New Age, I suggest you give Ms.Barbara Marx Hubbard a listen sometime. You sound like two of a kind.
    TTFN

  229. gidget  August 5th

    And you sound just like holier-than- thou fanatics who constantly group people who do not believe or think as they do into groups. You are so condemning while trying to make yourself seem pearly white!

    As for my husband, he is Buddhist and also a friend of Billy’s and was a friend of Indian Larry’s as well. He also was a biker for many years and remembers how people such as yourself condemned everyone who rode a “bike” as being bad boys, murders, raptists, thieves, etc. And then bought themselves bikes, trying to be bikers. People such as yourself are the real harm in the fabric of human-kind.

    As far as the political Black Belts, come on out and give yourself a shot at him. Wayne will put a political right on “your dumb, political, christian a**”. His words not mine. Up through 5th degree is knowledge of the martial arts and physical testing. 6th degree and higher is by your martial arts accomplishments and 10th comes to you when your Master dies and leaves his belt to you if you are his number 1 disciple. Better go find a reputable martial arts school and learn what they are really all about. You know not of what you speak.

  230. Silver  August 5th

    People like you are why guys like Bill O’Reilly have “No spin zones” !

    “And then bought themselves bikes, trying to be bikers.”

    If by “biker” you mean the likes of Billy Lane or Indian Larry, then I’m absolutely not a biker but rather a motorcyclist. In fact I shun the gatherings of the “weekend warriors” who ride on their grotesque Harley Davidsons which are more icons of their stupidity rather than real motorcycles anyway. I do get a good laugh when I see them being trailered into the Hardley shop for maintenance though !

    Also note that I not about to “go ride the Dragon” with the crotch rocket racers. I assume you know what the term “SQUID” means and I’m no more a SQUID than I am a lover of choppers. But I’ve rebuilt one bike completely and I maintain my daily driver myself. The daily driver that I put on between 30~40,K miles per year.

    In an effort to bring this back on topic, how do Buddhist feel about murder ? Also, how do you reconcile your obvious narcissism with being a Buddhist ? Talk about your dichotomies !

    So where is your husbands dojo ? Someone with so many valuable assets must be sharing them. Perhaps I could stop in someday.

  231. gidget  August 5th

    I never said I was a Buddhist, and I don’t care for O’Reilly, Hannity, Limbauh or the other truth twisters out there.

    As for your being a biker or a motorcyclist, I have only your say so on that and your word doesn’t mean crap to me! And Budha would have said that Billy was a victim of his circumstances and be forgiven. Budha had a very kind heart and wished ill on no living being. Something you could take lessons from.

    You would not be welcomed in my husband’s dojo as you show too much disrepect and discipline. But he would be willing to show you what he knows anywhere, anytime you are here. All Masters deserve respect from all disciples of the martial arts even if you think they don’t deserve it. That’s the way true martial arts was meant to be.

  232. Silver  August 5th

    O’Reilly is a good deal more factual than most of the talkers. Limbaugh has been borderline “whacko” for some time.

    “As for your being a biker or a motorcyclist, I have only your say so on that and your word doesn’t mean crap to me!”

    Heh heh ! I’m not surprised actually as this is yet another facet of the New Ager. Complete disrespect and contempt for anyone that shows the slightest sign of self-discipline and responsibility. I had a roommate

    “And Budha would have said that Billy was a victim of his circumstances and be forgiven. ”

    Well there ya go ! A complete dismissal of personal responibility ! Perhaps Bill Clinton and Dubya are Buddhist !

  233. Silver  August 5th

    “All Masters deserve respect from all disciples of the martial arts even if you think they don’t deserve it. That’s the way true martial arts was meant to be.”

    All people deserve respect until they prove otherwise. A master deserves no more and no less than any other person. While achieve may signify character, many have achieved success through many routes. Some more demanding than others. For instance, who would you respect more. Dubya or a firefighter ? I bet I know the answer.

  234. gidget  August 5th

    You are so wrapped up in yourself you are pathetic. “I am so good, I am not the typical biker, I do good for my community, I teach my kids right, I am above all others therefore I can judge all others” etc. You are so much crap it isn’t funny. You are dangerous especially if you think O’Reilly is worth watching. I will take Keith Oberman over all of them.

    George Bush is not a Budhist nor is he affiliated with a church. His wife is. He belongs to a men’s bible study group along with Tim Lahaye and the other idiot who wrote the Left Behind Series. And if you read their book, The Assassins, Bush fits the description of Carpatia, the World Ruler which is just what he wants to be. He is a coward who hid behind daddy and the strings daddy could pull to keep from fighting for his country, much as I think you would do.

    As for respect not being due a master….whether he deserves it or not, HIS position does. You are someone who respects no one unless they are on your side and agree with you totally. You deserve no respect because you certainly don’t give it or know its worth. You should change your “handle” from Silver to Self-righteous

  235. gidget  August 5th

    Hey Stupid, er I mean Silver. Don’t bet too much on who I’d choose because I personally think our president should be brought up on treason and war crimes as a murderer.

    My heroes? Those who would give their lives for others such as policemen, firefighters, and our military. My stepdaughter is in the army and will soon be deployed to Korea (another hotspot thanks to Bush) as a cabledog. She has one of the most dangerous jobs in the Army because she will be stringing cable for communications for our military to communicate with each other. What are your kids doing? What is Bush’s daughters doing? Yes, she will do her job so that you can be a self-righteous, condemning, holier-than-thou piece of crap and judge others.

  236. gidget  August 5th

    Silver, my husband’s martial arts resume:

    Martial Arts Resume..:

    of

    Grandmaster Wayne Miles

    9th Degree Blackbelt Chinese Hawaiian Karate

    Matatoshi Nakayama: 1954-1957 I studied with Nakayama in Japan when I was member of the U.S. Army special forces, 101st Airborne. At the time I studied under Nakayama, he was studying with the Father of Shotokan Karate, Gichin Funakoshi. Giving me 1st generation Shotokan, which is extremely rare.

    Master Greg Lee: 1957-1962 I studied with Master Lee for 5 years in Orlando, Florida. Master Lee certified me 1st degree blackbelt. At the time I received my blackbelt there were only 600 blackbelts registered in the U.S.

    1962-1976 I developed the style of Bushido Ryu Kai, which was the first type of karate developed against street fighters. I was the bodyguard of the stars and owned several karate studios here in Las Vegas.

    Grandmaster Harry Kahale: 1976 to Present: I received my 9th degree blackbelt and Master Kahale’s 1 Disciple and heir to his Grandmastership.

    I have an 8th degree blackbelt from Sifu Saul Tallbear.

    8th degree blackbelt from Master Bruce Shea, Singapore, China, who was a lifetime friend and student of the famous “Bruce Lee”.

    In my years as a teacher and trainer, I trained Lavelle Robinson, U.S. Cruiserweight champion and Zakee Ali U.S. Heavyweight Champion in 1991-1992.

    I also trained 33 martial arts champions at the state, national and world level. Including my three children, Del, two years Nevada state fight champion, Edward, 2 years Nevada state fighting Champion and Chistina, 2 years Nevada champion and 1 year U.S. Champ.

    I would be happy to provide you with phone numbers

    if you choose to verify my qualifications.

  237. Silver  August 6th

    “Hey Stupid, er I mean Silver. Don’t bet too much on who I’d choose because I personally think our president should be brought up on treason and war crimes as a murderer.”

    Finally ! Something we can agree on !

    “My heroes? Those who would give their lives for others such as policemen, firefighters, and our military.”

    Now will you stop it ? This is getting to be tiresome already ! We completely agree again ! Grrrrr ! (;>)

    FYI, my best friend is a trainer for the state police. Anyone stupid enough to mess with this guy is just needin’ a good ol’ down home whoopin’. And no doubt one of the nicest people I’ve ever had the pleasure of knowing.

    FYI, my BIL was a cabledog. He lived exactly 10 weeks after he retired from Iraq. Yeah, no such thing as Gulf War syndrome. Unfortunately his wife had him cremated.

    As to your husband, you must be quite proud. Men of commitment are rare. Hopefully you have children to pass these gifts onto. Family and friends are our greatest gifts.

  238. gidget  August 6th

    As for the state police and the trainer and being stupid enough to mess with him. I have seen 4 and 5 cops on one guy trying to take him down. Lack of training, I would say. I hope your guy is better at training his recuits. I believe the police nation-wide need better, in-depth training so that the one guy out there by himself doesn’t panic and KNOWS above all else that he can handle the situation.

    As for your buddy, I am sorry for his family and friends; he gave his life so a cowardly, greedy, lying, murdering s.o.b. can play his games and use scare tactics with the citizens of the U.S. Cremation is a belief that some have: “ashes to ashes and dust to dust” and they should be respected for such a decision.

    As for my husband, yes, I am quite proud of him. If you remember from an earlier posting, I told you he was in Korea in the 101st Airborne and was wounded and down behind enemy lines for three days before he was rescued. He lost his best friend (who lost his life saving my husband who had just turned 18 at the time). The friend was a WWII vet who had served in Normandy and Holland. He not only saved my husband’s life, but several others. When they had to take cover, my husband hauled another wounded soldier over his shoulders and carried him to hiding with the two others. My husband’s shoulder was almost ripped off from shrapnel. He was scared, but still didn’t want another friend to die. Our soldiers deserve higher pay, better insurance for themselves and their families (health and life) and they need to know their families will be taken care of should something unforseen happen. Walter Reed Hospital was a severe blemish on the state of a hospital that is supposed to be taking care of our military wounded as they come back from war. Bush is an atrocity that should be ousted and tried. As Commander-In-Chief, he should be courtmartialed with the severest of punishments on him and then tried in the courts of the land. You say I am judging him? No way! He is killing our military and innocents (or is the cause of their being killed) because he wants to rule the world, he wants to be remembered, his 15 minutes of fame. He isn’t killing by accident, he is doing it purposefully just as a serial killer would or anyone who premeditates the loss of life of others. Yes, Billy made a bad choice….he chose to drink and drive; because who of those who drink,also drive thinking it won’t happen to them? But Bush lied to be able to start this war and he has caused terrorism to become even more intense and determined. He hasn’t gone after binLaden, but stays bogged down in Iraq trying to force our type of government on them. He is a dictator who does exactly what he wants and even sneers and says he doesn’t care what the people want “we are going to stay the course”! Did you know that right after 9/11 when no planes were allowed to fly, Bush had a special plane fly the binLaden family members who were here in the U.S., out of the U.S.? And your buddy O’Reilly is for this adminstration.

    I am not the evil you believe me to be; I just believe there is a difference between premeditated and bad choices. And sometimes, we as a society, cause people to make bad choices because we put them up so high on pedestals that they believe nothing can happen to them. Our fault as much as those who make the choices. Sometimes you just believe the hype. It doesn’t make you a bad person, but it is a long way to climbing back up to see daylight again. A struggle that is hard for the common person, who is scared and unsure, and wondering how it happened. And I can almost bet that we aren’t getting ALL of the story on what is going on now with Billy because a guy who says “I’m guilty” and is willing to take his punishment, just doesn’t make good press as a “not guilty” plea does.

    I know I come off as new wave or whatever it was you called it, but I do believe we should forgive those who have fallen short of our expectations and who really didn’t mean harm to someone else. Save the judgement for those such as George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condolisa Rice, and the rest of the cronies (the generals who want this war because this is how they earn their medals and higher pay and the Congress and Senate who back his policies)and others who follow his dictatorship-type of governing and plundering. Hate isn’t something that is natural, it is taught. I do not like what our president is doing, but I don’t hate him, I feel pity for him that he thinks this is what makes a great leader and a great man. He is another Napolean de Bonaparte……little man syndrome.

  239. Silver  August 7th

    “As for the state police and the trainer and being stupid enough to mess with him. I have seen 4 and 5 cops on one guy trying to take him down. Lack of training, I would say. I hope your guy is better at training his recuits.”

    LOL ! Yeah, he’s good. Probably one of the best trainers and definitely one of the best people I’ve ever known. Also he trains for the NJSP which was founded by H.Norman Schwarzkopf, Sr., who was a graduate from West Point and a proponent of the cavalry in which he served. To this day the NJSP has significant instruction available for horsemanship. If you’ve ever handled horses, you know they sometimes need a firm hand. Also note that the training is on par with some of the best in the military. No excuses for failure and the bar is pretty high. Try diving into a lake wearing a full wool uniform, jack boots and gun belt to rescue someone that has panicked to the point of fighting your very efforts to save their life. Yep, that’s part of the training. And of course there’s nothing like standing at attention while being maced in the face.

    “Our soldiers deserve higher pay, better insurance for themselves and their families (health and life) and they need to know their families will be taken care of should something unforseen happen.”

    And they need to be utilized for exactly what the forces were established and trained for : protecting our country and the countries of those that are our allies. Not invading sovereign nations when the people of said nation haven’t asked for our intervention nor is it in the best interest of our nations security.

    “I know I come off as new wave or whatever it was you called it, but I do believe we should forgive those who have fallen short of our expectations and who really didn’t mean harm to someone else.”

    New age. Loosely speaking, a group of people who meld several beliefs, both philosophical and religious, into a unified belief even though the original teachings might be quite at odds. Christianity vs. neo-paganism for instance. There’s something to be said for eschewing the old and less tolerant of virtues but my concern is that about the dilution of faith.

    As to judgment, it’s a part of all of us. We all decide what is right or wrong to us though there’s no doubt that some are a little more assertive in their views. I definitely understand and agree with your view on Bush et al. but in some ways I think Billy’s crime was about as bad. He made a series of choices that led to the death of another person. Much like the commanders who allow troops like Spec. Pat Tillman to be killed by friendly fire through their own negligence. Yep, this starts at the top as well. If Bush-whacker hadn’t pushed his pathetic agenda to get us into this mess then many soldiers would still be alive and our country wouldn’t be going broke quite so fast.

    Segue alert ! Speaking of the debt, looks like we have just 40 days left prior to breaking the $9,000,000,000,000 debt ceiling that Congress has allowed. Check out : http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
    Our countries future mortgaged to the hilt !

    Yep, no doubt about it. America is under attack from within and without. Illegal immigration to satisfy the Republicans need for cheap labor, liberals spending insane amounts of money on programs that do not promote the development and progress of our country and pluralism devaluing the very virtues that founded our nation and made it great.

  240. Chloe  August 11th

    Silver you still are a jerk I live in a small town with no stop lights I have many horses Ride harleys Pet groomer vet tech involved in saving homeless animals Pick up dead animals off the road and bury them Pres. of humane society live good life thats paid in full member of Madd mother wife and friends with most people but you are a ass hole. have tatoos I am blackfoot Indian ride the trail of tears I pray I help elderly people. Help with hospice and hold hands with people that cross over to the rainbow bridge. I have a wonderful full life and I still love BILLY. You should be tied up and put on a mound of fire ants. You are nuts the court will do justice. You just like to run your big mouth and that can of whoop ass will get you one day. Worry about homeless childred or get a new hobby cuz we are sick of you bashing BILLY for your enjoyment. What about all the other people getting drunk and doing drugs and killing, you don’t care about them. Get a life Play card games or something or go play trick or treat you nut. Go to someother web page I am sick of reading your crap.

  241. gidget  August 11th

    Hey Silver, it was Bill Clinton who left office and a surplus of money for Bush to deplete! You blame the republicans, the liberals, etc.; how about blaming us, the American people who vote these representatives of ours into office? WE are just as much to blame.

    If you have ever served in the military, or have 1/2 a brain, you would no that friendly fire has killed many a military man/woman since the beginning of time. Did you know that our soldiers have to buy their own body armour? Yeah, my stepdaughter has to purchase it herself, but her family is going to make sure she has it.

    As for judgement being a part of us, shouldn’t we strive for it not to be a part of it? As your bible says, “judge not lest ye be judged.” Isn’t it telling you that judgement should be left up to your God? You and your judgements make me think of the old ways when there were biased people who would rather die than have the blood of someone they felt beneath them or from a black person. They would rather die first. Not me; I like life and living. That is one thing that our punishments to Billy can never do….we can never punish him more than what he will punish himself because he will always remember he took a life needlessly. He is a friend…..I cherish his friendship, I don’t have to like what he does. Look at Elvis. A great talent lost too soon because of bad choices, but he was the most caring and giving person one could meet. Don’t have to like the deed, but don’t condemn the person; learn forgiveness.

    Peace to you Silver.

  242. Silver  August 11th

    “It was Bill Clinton who left office and a surplus of money for Bush to deplete!”
    Well it would be more accurate to state that there was less debt rather than saying a surplus. Unfortunately the politicos have confused the American people with words like “surplus” to the point that the true meaning seems lost. It’s more like “We didn’t spend as much of the money we don’t have anyway so we have a surplus”. Hmmmm, don’t work that way in my home.

    “You and your judgements make me think of the old ways when there were biased people who would rather die than have the blood of someone they felt beneath them or from a black person. ”
    Now that’s a little uncalled for. And to the best of my knowledge every living person on this little dirtball has African blood in them.

    As to forgiving Billy and others that kill people while breaking the laws of both God and Man, that’s a difficult situation. Billy and others like him would make it easier if he plead guilty and stopped abusing the sensibilities of responsible people.

    Chloe – I wouldn’t give MADD the time of day if I were you. It’s a political machine designed to line the pockets of those involved. They’ve even re-written their own history to exclude the founder of the organization as even she is critical of their current attitudes.

    “You are nuts the court will do justice.”

    And exactly why is it that the courts are dispensing injustices ? Because the legal system has been bought and sold by people like Lane since the first American courts were set up. Or are you going to tell me that it would be OK with you if a DWI truck driver killed your husband and remained out of jail for over a year after the accident ? C’mon ! What does it take to get through to you ! President Truman was famous for the phrase “The Buck Stops Here”. Unfortunately the social norm for America since the early ’80′s seems to be more like “Can’t touch this” !!

  243. Chloe  August 11th

    Silver you are one sick thing. I call you a thing because most people are not as stupied as you. This bitch here would love to open that can of whoop ass on you and many want you join right on in there. Somewhere sometime someone will. Maybe Mr.William Lane himself.Now that would be a blast I might have to drink a beer even though I don’t drink. I use my money for tattos and to help others. You ass hole.

  244. gid2get  August 12th

    Silver, maybe you didn’t study your history as well as you should have. One of the reasons that people didn’t want to claim Indian blood was because that in our early history, the only people blacks could marry were either other blacks or Indians. It was very true in the south and other parts of the country. I’ll take anyone’s blood that will keep me alive and healthy, but in the youth of our country, there were those who would not. This was even truer in the days pre-Civil Rights movements.

    The founder of MADD was arrested several times for drunk driving….it is why she was removed from office of President.

    I have had relatives and friends killed by drunk drivers. I was busier mourning them than I was in getting revenge for their deaths. Even when the persons finally went to jail, it didn’t bring my friends and relatives back. Some of them got quality help while incarcerated and were able to kick the habit, one, well it was so hard on him that he hasn’t touched a drink since that fateful day and as for the others, they served their time and are back out drinking and driving again. That is why I say hate doesn’t do anyone any good and that our system needs to give them counseling and help rather than putting them in jail with hardened and other criminals. I am not saying they get to go home and then go to meetings. I am saying that while incarcerated, they are given counseling and perhaps shown pictures and reports of what they did and the sorrow they caused. You will never know the torment they will go through every minute of their lives realizing what they have done (I know this because you have told me you would never be in such a position).

    You know Silver, I think there are probably people out there who are just hoping you make a terrible mistake such as Billy’s just so they can say “ha ha”, but I really don’t because it isn’t something I would wish on anyone.

    Chloe: You are angry, put the anger away and feel sorry for Silver that he can’t show tolerance, compassion, or sympathy for someone in Billy’s place. He needs to prove himself. How often has he told us of how good he is by helping others, how perfect he is at teaching his children and providing for his family (never mind that he applauds his brother for leaving a wife because she got a tattoo…guess his vows before his god meant nothing to him), how he would never drink and drive, correcting us if we have made an error about how the country is run or the meaning of a law, he is trying to prove himself. Pity him, show compassion and tolerance, don’t be like him with your anger and judgements.

  245. Silver  August 12th

    Re : “The founder of MADD was arrested several times for drunk driving….it is why she was removed from office of President.”

    Nope. Never ever happened.

    http://www.madd.org/aboutus/1206

    As to my SIL and her tattoo, of course there was a lot more to the failing marriage than that. The tattoo was a sign. As blatant and obvious as that on Cain. As all too often happens, two good people took vowes to solidify their relationship and they allowed it to go to pot. I love my brother but this has certainly cost our relationship.

    “You know Silver, I think there are probably people out there who are just hoping you make a terrible mistake such as Billy’s just so they can say “ha ha”, but I really don’t because it isn’t something I would wish on anyone.”

    I certainly wouldn’t expect that you would. You’re not malicious as best I can tell. Unfortunately many people get some strange satisfaction when “do gooders” have difficulties. It’s really weird. And again, if Billy would just show some sign that he acknowledges his responsibility in this issue, then I’d have nothing bad to say at all. We’ve all made mistakes (just like B. Clinton, R. Nixon and many others) but it’s how we handle the issues that really matter. Lane has to step up and accept his reponsibility. Maybe even show some sign of humilty and self-respect. Otherwise people like myself and many other motorcyclists will malign him for the embarrassment that he currently is. Once he’s done that, I will “show tolerance, compassion, or sympathy for someone in Billy’s place.”.

  246. gid2get  August 12th

    Again, you will show tolerance, compassion, etc. when Billy does as YOU think he should. Once again, Silver, when did YOUR GOD die and leave you in charge of judging others? Personally, I do not want to judge others, set rules for them to live by, and condemn them when they don’t. It isn’t up to me. You believe in a god, I believe in a higher power(people born before Christ certainly couldn’t have all gone to hell as they were never taught there was only one god) …….it is up to the creator to do the judging, don’t you think? I don’t believe in your bible because there are too many contradictions and too many people who have no record of where they’re buried, or proof of their existance. But if you wish to believe in the book of parables, that is fine; I won’t condemn you for it. I prefer to believe that there is a higher power and we are all here to do the best we can and make the best life for ourselves and others that we can. I prefer to think that we are rewarded for how we treat others no matter what their circumstances or what they have done. As I said before, dislike the wrong that has been done, but don’t hate the person, try helping them instead.

    You know, you sound just like a lot of preacher’s kids that I have known. They were told how they HAD to live and what they could and couldn’t do, who they could have as friends, what was accepable and what wasn’t and if they did wrong, they were shunned by their family. Is that what love is about? I will only love you if you do as I say? Those kids were some of the wildest kids I knew because they weren’t allowed to experience life. I loved my father very much, but if I did something wrong, I was punished with love and understanding, not with conditions. I really hope when your children grow up that they don’t look back and think their old man only loved them IF they did as HE said and lived by HIS rules. Perhaps your sister-in-law got tired of Mr. Perfect and his Perfect family. Perhaps you all made her inferior and the tattoos were really her way of hiding herself. Perhaps it was you and yours that drove her to the tattoos. I know I would hate to live under a roof where the male of the family was the ruler and I had no say in the marriage partnership. What a terrible way to live. But then, maybe some women stay in such a situation because they feel inferior and feel that it is what they deserve.

    Now, as I said before, you condemn Billy all you want. But he isn’t they only one to blame. We all did it to him by making him believe he was bigger than life and infallable (no not you, because you “never liked him or his junky bikes”, so you couldn’t be included). We made him such an icon that we are just as much to blame because in a sense, we drove him to believing nothing would ever happen to him. Billy is our friend and I hurt every day for him and what he has done. I think of Mr. Morelock who lost his life and wish it could all be reversed. I am not going to tell you or anyone else what Billy should do. His lawyers are doing that and they know the law. His sponsors and backers are telling him what to do because they have a lot invested in him. He is torn between what he is being told and what he feels. Not a fight I would want on my hands. Yesh, to you he is taking the easy way out. But you aren’t in his shoes, so you don’t know and neither do I or anyone else who either knows him or has heard of him. We can only be smug and say “if I were guilty, I’d admit it.” Easy to say until you are in that very position.

  247. Silver  August 12th

    Re : “The founder of MADD was arrested several times for drunk driving….it is why she was removed from office of President.”

    Nope. Never ever happened.

    http://www.madd.org/aboutus/1206

  248. Silver  August 12th

    And as to my SIL and her tattoo, of course there was a lot more to the failing marriage than that. The tattoo was a sign. As blatant and obvious as that on Cain. As all too often happens, two good people took vowes to solidify their relationship and they allowed it to go to pot. I love my brother but this has certainly cost our relationship.

    “You know Silver, I think there are probably people out there who are just hoping you make a terrible mistake such as Billy’s just so they can say “ha ha”, but I really don’t because it isn’t something I would wish on anyone.”

    I certainly wouldn’t expect that you would. You’re not malicious as best I can tell. Unfortunately many people get some strange satisfaction when “do gooders” have difficulties. It’s really weird. And again, if Billy would just show some sign that he acknowledges his responsibility in this issue, then I’d have nothing bad to say at all. We’ve all made mistakes (just like B. Clinton, R. Nixon and many others) but it’s how we handle the issues that really matter. Lane has to step up and accept his reponsibility. Maybe even show some sign of humilty and self-respect. Otherwise people like myself and many other motorcyclists will malign him for the embarrassment that he currently is. Once he’s done that, I will “show tolerance, compassion, or sympathy for someone in Billy’s place.”.

  249. Silver  August 12th

    Re : “The founder of MADD was arrested several times for drunk driving….it is why she was removed from office of President.”

    Nope. Never ever happened.

    http://www.madd.org/aboutus/1206

    As to my SIL and her tattoo, of course there was a lot more to the failing marriage than that. The tattoo was a sign. As blatant and obvious as that on Cain. As all too often happens, two good people took vowes to solidify their relationship and they allowed it to go to pot. I love my brother but this has certainly cost our relationship.

    “You know Silver, I think there are probably people out there who are just hoping you make a terrible mistake such as Billy’s just so they can say “ha ha”, but I really don’t because it isn’t something I would wish on anyone.”

    I certainly wouldn’t expect that you would. You’re not malicious as best I can tell. Unfortunately many people get some strange satisfaction when “do gooders” have difficulties. It’s really weird. And again, if Billy would just show some sign that he acknowledges his responsibility in this issue, then I’d have nothing bad to say at all. We’ve all made mistakes (just like B. Clinton, R. Nixon and many others) but it’s how we handle the issues that really matter. Lane has to step up and accept his reponsibility. Maybe even show some sign of humilty and self-respect. Otherwise people like myself and many other motorcyclists will malign him for the embarrassment that he currently is. Once he’s done that, I will “show tolerance, compassion, or sympathy for someone in Billy’s place.”.

    ===

    “Again, you will show tolerance, compassion, etc. when Billy does as YOU think he should.”

    Heh heh ! I’m not the only one !

    “Personally, I do not want to judge others, set rules for them to live by, and condemn them when they don’t.”

    The guides that we have as a result of judging are called “social mores”. These are the guides that are developed that eventually lead to laws. Take away social mores and you might as well take away the laws.

    “As I said before, dislike the wrong that has been done, but don’t hate the person, try helping them instead.”

    I understand your opinion and even agree with it except for one minor detail. The person that needs the help has to admit that they have a problem. They have to grab hold of it and stare it down and as someone once said “confession is good for the soul”. Ever been to an AA meeting ? I had to take my step father who could guzzle a half-gallon of vodka before breakfast. He never really admitted to himself that he had a problem which is exactly why he bombed out and also why he died from liver failure.

    “You know, you sound just like a lot of preacher’s kids that I have known.”

    OK, just to set this record straight, I’m about as far from a preachers son as possible. My father was a truck driver, wife beater and a drunk. My mother eventually got a clue when he pulled a boning knife on her while in one of his drunken rages and left the bastard. You will probably say that I should forgive him but there can be no forgiveness for some things.

    “They were told how they HAD to live and what they could and couldn’t do, who they could have as friends, what was accepable and what wasn’t and if they did wrong, they were shunned by their family. Is that what love is about? I will only love you if you do as I say?”

    You’re looking at it from a different angle. I see that someone is trying to protect their family from what they perceive as a bad influence and probable source of serious problems. Not unlike Mr. Lane.

    “Those kids were some of the wildest kids I knew because they weren’t allowed to experience life.”

    If you deny a flower water, it will go dormant until it fids water and then it will grow as wild as possible. All the stored energy burts forth. Parents are here to guide however we sometimes have to restrict when we know that something is not in the best interest of our children. INternet surfing and watching shows like Billy’s on TV for instance. I make no bones about it, I don’t care for some of the music (particularly Tool) and other base activities that society seems to be promoting and I will admonish my children for wasting their time with such rubbish.

    “I loved my father very much, but if I did something wrong, I was punished with love and understanding, not with conditions. I really hope when your children grow up that they don’t look back and think their old man only loved them IF they did as HE said and lived by HIS rules.”

    Well that might be the case. I won’t tolerate illegal, immorral or disrespectful behaviour at all. To date I have had to spank my son one time and on that occassion he learned that there is a way to talk to adults and then there are ways that he would best forget and quickly. Note that I never jump onto the discipline wagon too quickly and usually the “time ot” rule applies on both directions.

    “Perhaps your sister-in-law got tired of Mr. Perfect and his Perfect family. Perhaps you all made her inferior and the tattoos were really her way of hiding herself.”

    Yeah, go to a concert and get a tramp stamp ! That’s just sheer class !

    “Perhaps it was you and yours that drove her to the tattoos.”

    Actually it’s more like she was using my brother to help her raise her illigetimate daughter. As soon as she reach 17, the SIL let her hair down and became yet another example of what alcohol can do to people.

    “I know I would hate to live under a roof where the male of the family was the ruler and I had no say in the marriage partnership.”

    That’s not a marriage. At least not in my home. It’s “Til death do we part” and issues are decided mutually, not by a dictatorship.

    “Now, as I said before, you condemn Billy all you want. But he isn’t they only one to blame.”

    In this case, he is. He pointed the truck into oncoming traffic just the same as if he had pointed a gun at the entrace to a shopping mall during a seasonal holiday.

    “I am not going to tell you or anyone else what Billy should do. His lawyers are doing that and they know the law. His sponsors and backers are telling him what to do because they have a lot invested in him. He is torn between what he is being told and what he feels. Not a fight I would want on my hands. Yes, to you he is taking the easy way out. But you aren’t in his shoes, so you don’t know and neither do I or anyone else who either knows him or has heard of him.”

    I agree completely. It’s gotta be difficult to salvage your life while staring at the almost definite possibility of incarceration.

    “We can only be smug and say “if I were guilty, I’d admit it.” Easy to say until you are in that very position.”

    I never said it was easy. Just what you have to do. It’s not really more complicated than that.

    Hopefully you can see the Perseids this morning. I’m getting the kids up before down if the sky remains clear.

  250. gid2get  August 12th

    Well, enjoy and have a happy life. My father was such a good father that I never wanted to do anything that would bring shame on him or have people saying he didn’t rear me to respect others. I lost him when I was 13 yrs. old because he had cancer.

    As for you SIL, why wouldn’t she leave?!! You talk about her as if she is trash because she has tattoos and an illegitimate daughter. So, what? People can change if we allow them, but you condemn EVERYONE who doesn’t live by your standards. NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES AS YOU DO! Some people believe in compassion and they try not to judge others because someday they might be judged themselves. I know you believe your son/daughter would NEVER get pregnant or impregnate someone, but it just could happen. Oh, but yes, you would make him/her marry. In spite of what you might think, it isn’t always good for the child for two people who were in lust and not love to marry and remain together “for the child’s sake.” What child would want to go through life living with two parents who married because it was the right thing to do? Who was it right for in the first place? Marry to give the child a name, spare the families embarrassment; just who would benefit from a marriage where two people didn’t love each other? I know, if the female had kept her legs closed, it wouldn’t have happened. Well, sometimes, just as in your home when you were a child, there isn’t any love so a girl falls for the first guy who gives her the line…”if you loved me, you’d let me make love to you.” But it isn’t the male who gets pregnant, so he gets let off of the hook and she become a tramp. Seems to me it makes him one as well, but he doesn’t get called names, does he? You males are all too ready to pass judgement on others, so why should I be surprised that you would do the same to a fellow male?

    Enjoy the beautiful sky that the Gods who were in man’s life before “the God and his son” were given credit for creating at one time. I really don’t care how many gods there are or who created the world or how it was created. I just want to enjoy it, give back to it, and love my fellow man. Always remember, the earth is not ours, it was given to us by our children to keep it safe for them. It just seems to me that time is better spent loving our fellow man, the earth, our families, etc. than kowtowing to a vengeful and jealous “god”.

  251. Chloe  August 15th

    Gidget you are right. This guy just creeps me out. I am a good person and reading his crap makes the bad come out. I still will support Billy and the good he has done. I do feel sorry for Mr Morelock but drinking brings out the worst in people. Have a wonderful fruitful life and hang in there. Best to everyone everywhere.

  252. Silver  August 15th

    You’re right. You really shouldn’t drink when posting to a blog.

  253. gid2get  August 16th

    Thank you, Chloe. Yes,two wrongs don’t make a right and BOTH were drinking. Billy just happened to be in a bigger, more protective vehicle and, unfortunately it cost Mr. Morelock his life.

  254. gid2get  August 16th

    Silver, who are you accusing of drinking and writing? I don’t drink but rarely and then it is only when at dinner and my hubby, who doesn’t drink at all, does teh driving. I have no liquor or alcohol in the house even.

  255. Chloe  August 16th

    Mr. high and mighty Silver I do not drink! Water ice tea or coke. I walk a very stright line. Like I said go get a hobby. Peace

  256. 2 be she  August 17th

    Howdy~
    I’ve been like waaaaay out of the loop on this whole thing. What is the current of the case? Are there any updates? Where do I go to get up-to-date info?
    Thank you kindly

    *Be excellent to each other!

  257. gid2get  August 19th

    Yes, Silver, I think we do know you pretty well. You put a name on EVERYONE who doesn’t think as you, dress as you, or who wishes to have tattoos and because people who are your friends agree with you, that makes them correct and everyone else wrong.

    No, my daughter has no studs in her tongue or piercings on her face and if I had your email address, I would send you a picture of her in her wedding gown. She had a beautiful, no-frills gown, made all of her own bouquets for herself and attendants, made all church and table decorations, and designed her own cake which was also very simple (and a chocolate cake). Everyone who attended talked about how original and beautiful the wedding and the bride was. I am biased, so I believe she was one of the most gorgeous brides I have ever seen (the other being my oldest when she married). I am proud of both my daughters. The one with the tattoos was home-schooled, earned a scholarship to college based on her SAT scores, worked to put herself through college and carried a 3.9 GPA while in college and working TWO jobs. Labels, such as tramp stamp, hurt and offend just as much as calling your child stupid or dumb. Some consider tattoos art and their bodies a canvas. I believe they can get carried away, but that is MY opinion and who left me in charge to judge or force my opinions on anyone?

    And of course Billy could build a bike that caught on fire! He isn’t perfect such as you who does everything perfectly, flawlessly and never ever makes a mistake while doing it. Get off of you high horse! YOU ARE NOT PERFECT, YOU DO NOT DO EVERYTHING PERFECTLY, AND YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD! YOUR NAME IS NOT JESUS CHRIST!

  258. Silver  August 19th

    See ? you don’t know me at all.

    And if you think I made up the term “tramp stamp” I assure you your very mistaken

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_back_tattoo

    Oh and the first time I heard the term was from a widowed mother of two teenagers. I think that was in mid-2002. Catch up with the times will ya ?

  259. gid2get  August 19th

    Know one said you made it up and I don’t need your links to definitions. I know the meaning of the words whore and bastard as well. But I wouldn’t label someone with those titles just because they are in the dictionary and people I know use them. It still is labeling and it still doesn’t make it right or in your case, moral

  260. gid2get  August 19th

    And that should be noone. You just upset me with your holier-than-thou attitude that you believe gives you the right to label and judge others.

  261. Silver  August 20th

    We all do it. Whether we admit it to ourselves and possibly to others is the only difference. For instance you have judged me against your standards. I’m OK with that. It’s natural. What I don’t get is that you expressed your distaste of someone that is critical of those that lead irresponsible and even reckless lives. Those that are a significant danger to others and those that deny their responsibility for the consequences.

    Here’s another comparison.

    S’pose your husband developed a faulty heart valve which needed to be repaired or even replaced via an operation. Now these operations aren’t uncommon and in fact have been done for decades however we’re still talking about a major surgical procedure. So the operation is progressing normally when the surgeon lets a sharp tool slip and your husbands life is ended. You find out later that the surgeon was more than slightly intoxicated. How do you feel about that surgeon who is continuing to deny his responsibility ? Of course you can blame everyone else in the room but what it comes down to is that one man through willful negligence took another mans life and then had the gall to deny his responsibility.

  262. gid2get  August 20th

    I am not judging you by my standards. I am not judging you, I am trying to explain to you that it isn’t up to you to judge others by YOUR standards. And we never know what we would do in a highly stressful situation that we are not prepared to face. We all like to THINK we would do the right thing, but until the situation arises, we really don’t KNOW what we’d do.

    As for the doctor, would suing him bring my husband back? I don’t think so. Suing him for the amount of money my husband would have brought to his family from the day of his “death” until an age that would be determined he could have lived to should be satisfactory for anyone. Money can NEVER bring back someone once they are gone. Suing for exhoribitant amounts of money is nothing but plain and simple greed. If you remember, I told you I lost a set of twins due to a doctor’s negligence and rather than sue for money, I sued so that he could not take care of pregnant women again. He was and still is a good doctor in other situations. NO, I didn’t receive ANY monetary settlement; it wouldn’t have brought them back. I don’t judge the value of a loved one’s life in terms of money.

    You want to blame Billy because he won’t stand and take his punishment. Well, how about you as a person who votes in his lawmakers and then sets back and bitches and whines when someone who has had previous DUIs doesn’t get punished? Or when they have an ACCIDENT (meaning non premeditated) and kills someone, or even just injures them, then they get a trial and even get to plead not guilty. WE, the people, make the laws, or at least elect those who do, and it is up to us to see that there are laws that will protect us or get rid of our elected officials who are just in office to line their own pockets and vote for their own concerns. Billy had a previous DUI and there should be laws that not only suspended his license, but gave him jail time as well. EVERYONE knows who Billy Lane is so police in Melbourne, Cocoa Beach and other surrounding areas should have been more alert if he was driving while his license was suspended and he should have gotten automatic jail time with mandatory treatment for his problem. So the public, the police, the judges, etc. should all share the blame because we allowed it to happen. I’ll take my share of the blame, will you? And that goes back to the doctor……..nurses and other personnel should have stopped the surgery before he even started. They allowed him to operate when he wasn’t able to function properly.

    I have refused to ride with friends because they were drunk and refused to let them drive. But even I have known when others were drunk and said nothing when they drove off. Friends or not, we should NEVER allow ANYONE to drive when they are impaired for any reason! But we do, so we are ALL to blame.

    Yes, Billy was wrong; and yes, he’s wrong for not accepting responsibility, but so are we all to blame because we (okay, not you, but his other friends and fans)who put him up there on that pedestal, who didn’t stop him from driving, who didn’t tell him, “hey buddy, you’ve had enough and aren’t driving”, and who built him so big that he believed the hype allowed him to drive. I will take my share of the blame. Of course, you don’t have to because as you have so admantly stated, you don’t like him and would never consider him a friend. Well, tell you what…..Billy would give the shirt off of his back and every dollar he had to a stranger in need and never let anyone know he did it. I doubt you would, you like to be known for your good deeds and pious living. I have found most Christtians who claim to live by the Bible and go to church every week will cheat you quicker than the atheist, believers of other gods, or person who only goes to church now and then if at all. And they are also the first to say “remember when I helped you out”? Those are false friends; and thank you, I’d rather have a real friend who may not like what I do, agree with what I do, but will hang in there with me and try to get me to see what I am doing wrong and try to get me on the right track. Sometimes the few who try to help are ignored because there are more trying to get us to do wrong. And they usually win because there are so many pious, judgemental persons such as yourself out there that some of the wrong decision makers say “what the H**l, I am damned if I do and damned if I don’t, so I may as well have fun”. They never consider the consequences because they are up on that pedestal and believe nothing can happen to them.

    No, I don’t have to agree with what Billy is doing or has done, but I know the person, the friend and I will stand behind him and hope he does what is right in the end. And even if he doesn’t do what others deem right, I hope he learns a valuable lesson from all of this and doesn’t allow it to happen again.

  263. Silver  August 20th

    I have no doubt that Billy will eventually learn some of the errors of his ways. I’m sure he already has learned a lot. He’s not a dumb person just somebody that used to do really dumb things.

    As to lawsuits, they are also corrective actions. I disagree with the frivolous suits and out-of-court settlements but suits against malpractice have made the medical field re-invent itself. I can’t even imagine the number of questionable or even outright wrong diagnosis that have been foisted on unsuspecting people. How many unnecessary and even harmful procedures and prescriptions have been dispensed. The unfortunately consequence is that many doctors today are overly cautious and afraid to commit without overwhelming evidence.

    “I doubt you would, you like to be known for your good deeds and pious living.”I doubt you would, you like to be known for your good deeds and pious living.

    More spurious conjecture ? I haven’t told you anything of deeds (both good and bad) that I have done. I could care less who knows what good I’ve done and I try to help someone every single day. On more than one occasion it has cost me a good deal however doing the right thing is what life is about for me. Certainly not whether something is fashionable or meets with the approval of lawyers, clergy or even the media. No doubt this makes me boring and many couldn’t care less but if I can make someones life better than I’m going to do that. At the same time I’m going to go out of my way to avoid activity that could harm someone in any way. You call me judgmental. Yes, I am. All adults should be. But of course judgments aren’t to be malignant. If the people who are Billy’s fans and such had understood what they were encouraging then they could have stopped it from happening in the first place by expressing their disapproval early on. The first step in governing behavior is both indirect and usually subtle. Unfortunately people like Billy are usually overwhelmed to the point of ignoring such things.

  264. gid2get  August 20th

    “If the people who are Billy’s fans and such had understood what they were encouraging then they could have stopped it from happening in the first place by expressing their disapproval early on.” And if the people who elected this administration had understood the liar they elected to office, had understood how they were encouraging him to believe he is so powerful that he can do as he pleases, and that he would take the “law into his own hands” and interpret as he sees fit, they might not have elected him either. We make mistakes. However; my father told me that if we make a mistake and learn from it, then it is a lesson…..sometimes a very valuable lesson that costs us or someone else; BUT if we continue making that same mistake, then we are blatantly irresponsible. Let’s just hope Billy and others learn from his mistake and accident. If even one life is saved because of all of the hoopla over Billy, then it is well worth the hoopla.

    As far as harmful medicine and doctors’ decisions to administer them. Do some research on cancer treatments. Did you know that Chemo kills EVERY cell in the body including those that make up the linings of our organs and the marrow in our bones? That a person on chemo shouldn’t be in crowds are around people who are sick or may be sick? That they shouldn’t have flowers in their homes because of the fungus carried by them and it can cause infections in the lungs? They shouldn’t be around immunized children or adults because they are vulnerable to whatever disease the person was vaccinated? Did you know they shouldn’t bend at the waist or lift objects and when doing any chore that uses chemicals or sharp objects (such as washing dishes) they should wear protective gloves and that they should have their doctors trim toe and fingernails because any cut could cause them to bleed to death? And chemo treatments cost $325,000 to $350,000? I know because I have done the research. There are two types of chemo……..one type takes 7 hours and the other takes 2 days to administer and the chemicals are toxic. But there is a treatment that has been around for 78 yrs. that administers the same chemicals into the body using insulin. This procedure kills ONLY the cancer cells, there are little or no side affects (perhaps a little nausea), and it takes on 1 hr and 15 mins. to administer. Why isn’t it better known? The pharmaceutical companies don’t want it known because these treatments use only 10% of the chemicals and take only 18 to 22 treatments for even the most aggressive cancers and they cost anywhere from $800 to $1200 per treatment. In my case, I need only 6 to 7 treatments. But if I elected to take the chemo, I would have to take 6 treatments at a cost of several hundred thousand dollars. Which would you choose? And yet, we as a people keep ourselves ignorant of what the drug companies, doctors, and our government are doing to us. We’d rather judge other people and close our minds and eyes to other injustices. Pick on the guy who got ahead, and is making more money than us and a name for himself. Our doctors are killing far more people every day with their medicines because it benefits their pocketbooks. My point? GREED

  265. Silver  August 21st

    Re:Bush et al , the American people and justice both buried their heads in the ground a long time ago. And the current equation is so simple that even the dumbest hillbilly should have put it together prior to voting for this idiot.

    Bush = Oil Man

    Cheney = Head Warmonger

    Hmmmmm, ya think a war in a nation of oil might have been just a little obvious !

    Here’s one of my favorite quotes :

    “Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”

    – Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

    Isn’t it an amazing coincidence that this is what has been going on since 9-11 ?

  266. gid2get  August 21st

    So, do you think you are telling me something I don’t know? We have become too comfortable with our government and we feel they would never betray us. Human nature to become complacent with ones surroundings, mates, job, and our government. Changes do take time, but we have to WANT to make them badly enough before anything will happen. I really can’t believe the American people can’t see what their government is doing, but one day, perhaps, they will wake up. Let us hope it isn’t too late. Personally, I think that if we all followed Budha’s teaching of doing unto others as we would want them to do to us, the world would be a lot better place. But now we tend to hide BEHIND that rule rather than to practice it.

    And you forgot to add that binLaden has never been captured. His family and the Bush family go back a long, long way and are very good friends. Saddam had a contract on Daddy Bush and Sonny Bush wanted to get even………that was another reason for the war. binLaden was an excuse.

    Well, have a great life and as Spock would say, “live long and prosper”. I wish no ill on anyone and I hope we can be friends enough to disagree, but remain friendly. Should you want to say anything privately, my email is gid2get@yahoo.com. I wish the best for you and your family and I hope no ill ever befalls any of you.

  267. Silver  August 22nd

    “So, do you think you are telling me something I don’t know ?”

    Maybe ;>)

    “We have become too comfortable with our government and we feel they would never betray us.”

    Now why in the world would anyone believe that ? The government has been usurped for quite some time now and its sole manner of function is through deception and guile. Also remember that I live in the area that fought against the War of Northern Aggression. A war that was even more illegal than the one being fought in Iraq today.

    Thank you for your kind wishes. Your generosity is most undeserved.

  268. gid2get  August 22nd

    I didn’t mean we are ALL complacent, but a majority of us are. If you think they aren’t, just think about how many people listen to and believe Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly just to name a few and think these idiots are great Americans to boot!! As for “your” war, I hope you aren’t one of those who believe that slavery was the reason for the war. And if you think that not being united as a nation wouldn’t make us fall as a nation, think again. But just as this war today is being fought for all of the wrong reasons, it doesn’t change the fact that heroic, patriotic soldiers were killed and then forgotten. The only difference, I believe, is that Mr. Lincoln actually felt remorse for those who died. This president doesn’t. As long as his purpose and plans are carried out, he doesn’t care how many die or are wounded. What is he doing to make sure those wounded have proper medical care and that there is a place in the workforce for them to be able to earn a living for themselves and their families? What is being done to help the families of those who have been killed? He talks a good talk and then behaves so pious and sorrowful all the while with that silly-assed sneer on his face and that dead look in his eyes. He is not the man, nor has he ever been, that people believe him to be. As long as there is greed or a “god” to fight for, there will be wars……senseless, unnecessary wars.

  269. stuart  August 22nd

    when is the trial?

  270. stuart  August 22nd

    billy lanes trial that is?

  271. Silver  August 23rd

    There is no date set for a trial. His latest addition to his defence is doing an admirable job of delaying the inevitable. In fact his defense lawyer was even late to the hearing on 08.17.07. At that hearing the lawyer indicated that he will be filing for a suppression of the evidence against Lane. Specifically his BAC. The next pretrial conference is set for October 10th at 9:00 a.m. I doubt he’ll go to trial this year though it is possible.

    Gidget – Agreed completely on “.. senseless, unnecessary wars.”. Unfortunately the vast majority of the human race knows of no other way to live and wouldn’t consider it even if they did.

    “He is not the man, nor has he ever been, that people believe him to be.”

    http://www.bushorchimp.com/

    In all reality it’s rather a slight to the chimps to contrast them with Bush.

  272. stuart  August 27th

    thanks for the input silver

  273. silver  August 27th

    No problem at all Stuart. You can catch more at Mike Odom’s site :

    http://www.mikeodom.name/

    Mike evidently has a very close connection to this case.

    gid2get – Have you seen Lance Armstrongs interviews ?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8004316/

  274. purplerider  August 28th

    Why cant we all talk like adults instead of a bunch of jurks. Billy did wrong so does that make him a monster I think not I spent time with billy when he built a bike for one of our heroes that spent time in Iraq did any one start a blog or dog him for that or even thank him. think about it.

  275. gid2get  August 28th

    Because, purplerider, most of us would like to rag on the bad others do rather than on the good. A man lost his life and has become a martyr and Billy a demon. That is the way human tendencies work. I, for one, think Billy deserves a fair and honest trial no matter how he pleads or continues to plead; just as I would for anyone else who had/has done wrong to society. Sometimes good people do bad things and make bad judgements. They aren’t like the hardened criminals or the psychos who enjoy committing crimes. They made bad choice and it is up to our judicial system to handle it. There are also those who would judge Billy and others because they drink, have tattoos, body piercings and other things that “normal” or pious bible thumpers wouldn’t do. It doesn’t make them wrong or bad; those who have no tolerance could also be labeled as well. I have done that because I call them pious or bible thumpers and I am wrong in doing it, but I was trying to point out how labling is wrong no matter who does it. However; it seems as if those I called pious or bible thumpers take pride in those lables. That is okay, but it still doesn’t give them the right to lable others with names even though society sometimes says the names are okay. Such as a female who has a tattoo on her back around the area of the waistline above and below and the name given to such tattoo being a “tramp stamp.” It doesn’t make her a tramp anymore than a guy who squats down and reveals his “plumber’s crack” makes him a plumber. Billy is a good person, and yes, I do know him personally, and this will not change the person he is inside. We, his friends, know he is remorseful over the accident and will do what is good and right by society in the end.

  276. silver  August 29th

    Purplerider – “Billy did wrong so does that make him a monster I think not ”

    The term “monster” is actually quite accurate. Webster defines monster as “something monstrous; especially : a person of unnatural or extreme ugliness, deformity, wickedness, or cruelty” and I think it’s most fitting that you chose that term.

    Billy Lane is yet another celebrity in a rapidly growing list of celebrities that are essentially above the law. Yes, you read that correctly. “Above The Law”. These celebrities are treated in ways that the average person would never dream of in their circumstance. I mean if you bowled over a biker, flipped your pickup a few times and then pegged a BAC over 2X the legal limit, what do you think the odds are of you being released prior to spending any time behind bars ? Of still running free for the next year or so while waiting for a trial ? But then you aren’t Billy Lane.

    It seems that as a society we are not only allowing these types of behavior but in fact condoning it. It also seems that idolatry mandates overlooking much. Even murder.

  277. silver  August 29th

    Gid2get – “We, his friends, know he is remorseful over the accident and will do what is good and right by society in the end.”

    I read that as “The ends justifies the means”. I suppose you feel the same for Ted Kennedy ?

  278. gid2get  August 29th

    Hmmmm, I think it ugly, wicked and cruel to judge others; especially those who did wrong through accident and not by premeditation.

  279. gid2get  August 29th

    I wouldn’t know, Silver, as I don’t know Mr. Kennedy and have never heard of him doing anything to help others without it helping him to get votes. But you, sir, allow yourself to judge others when according to your bible that is to be left up to your god. My, my, my how righteous you are and so pure that you know YOU will NEVER be judged by others in the same vein that you judge.

  280. gid2get  August 29th

    Oh, and Silver, earlier in one of your comments, you made the statement that you believe in the commandments. Why do you feel it should be YOU who does Billy’s judging? I think you are not all that pure and holy or guiltless. Just my opinion of course, but there it is. You have judged another and therefore have broken the commandments of your bible that you are so proud of letting us know you follow and teach your family of its works.

    And by the way, you made mention earlier of a bike Billy made that caught on fire; well, I know of a bike that the Teuttles made and the pipes on it are turning yellow and it has never been fired up and on the streets! And the guy paid $250,000 for it plus he gave the Teuttles the use of one of his helicopters for a year……that comes to about $500,000 for a bike that is uncomfortable to ride and the pipes are turning color on it. And you say Billy is overrated!

  281. silver  August 29th

    gid2get – “I think it ugly, wicked and cruel to judge others”

    As previously noted, it’s a natural part of being a human. I don’t deny my humanity and can’t recommend that others do so either.

    gid2get – “especially those who did wrong through accident and not by premeditation.”

    So you believe that getting trashed at a bar, picking up a bimbo, speeding and passing in a no-passing zone lacks premeditation ? Oh,well, in that case Bush didn’t really mean to take our country to war did he ? I mean he must have thought that Hussein would simply surrender all evidence of WMD’s and hand over everything that Bush demanded. C’mon gid2get ! Denial isn’t very realistic. About like Billy’s defense lawyers attempting to have his BAC suppressed.

    gid2get – “I wouldn’t know, Silver, as I don’t know Mr. Kennedy and have never heard of him doing anything to help others without it helping him to get votes.”

    Of course I was referring to Chappaquiddick. I believe your almost old enough to remember that, no ? For those that aren’t, Kennedy, who had previously been cited for reckless driving and was driving on an expired license, intoxicated and speeding, drove off Dike Bridge Rd subsequently flipping his car upside down. Ms.Kopechne, his sole passenger in the car, became trapped and eventually died from suffication when Kennedy left her trapped in the car. Of course he weaseled out of the problem as only a millionaire can.

    gid2get – “Oh, and Silver, earlier in one of your comments, you made the statement that you believe in the commandments. Why do you feel it should be YOU who does Billy’s judging? ”

    You mean these Commandments ?

    I am the Lord your God

    Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
    Thou shalt not make for thyself an idol.
    Thou shalt not make wrongful use of the name of thy God.
    Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
    Honor thy Mother and Father.
    Thou shalt not murder.
    Thou shalt not commit adultery.
    Thou shalt not steal.
    Thou shalt not bear false witness.
    Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife.

    If you mean to refer to Matt. 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” then I suggest that you read it in its entirity. It is about judging others as you would be judged. I will stand to be judged some day and have no problem accepting responsibility for my transgressions.

    As to the $250,K bike, I would ride circles around it on my old XS750 triple much less on my far more powerful FZR1000 daily driver. Of course these people paid their premiums for something they consider art. They aren’t motorcycles. They are mechanical works of art. They are extremely far from practical.

  282. gid2get  August 29th

    And again, without even knowing the young lady who was with Billy, you lable her a Bimbo. How unkind and ugly you are! No, he didn’t premeditate what he was doing. He was drunk and should not have been driving, but his brain was very muddled from the alcohol, fame and belief in himself to be infalable. I know YOU would never experience such debasing human feelings, but it doesn happen to a lot of humanity…..even those who go to church every Sunday, read their bible faithfully and say they are good Christians who follow the 10 commandments. As for Teddy Kennedy and the incident you are speaking of, he left the scene of the accident so how could that even be compared? Even though it wasn’t premeditated, it became more than an accident when he decided to go back home and not try to get help immediately or to dive for her himself! Golly, how you try to twist things so that you can be correct in all of your name-callings and labelings. Yep, you’re a Christian alright….judge others and consider yourself to be so pious! You also seem to idolize your bike and your abilities and your own piousness! Who cares how fast your bike is and what it can do? You can be as reckless as someone else and kill with it as well as with any other vehicle. One day the bike that you keep so perfect just may malfunction on you and YOU may be the one being judged. Does your wife even have a mind of her own or if she used it and disagreed with anything you say, think or do, would you think you should divorce her because she went against your way of thinking? I get that impression from you. You have such high standards for yourself and your family and friends, that if anyone fell from grace…………that’s the end of them! They are bad and unworthy.

    As for the bike, at least Billy’s are rideable and they don’t cost nearly as much as a Teuttle bike. Talk about egos!! The bike was bought because it was advertising for Silver State Helicopters, but it was also supposed to be rideable and ready to display at anytime. Even cleaning this bike doesn’t make it display ready. Bet your pipes didn’t turn color!

  283. silver  August 29th

    gid2get – “And again, without even knowing the young lady who was with Billy, you label her a Bimbo. How unkind and ugly you are! ”

    Lady ? There are words that might be a little closer to the mark when describing someone that leaves a bar with a guy wearing dreadlocks, tattoos, sporting a .18+ BAC on a chopper however “lady” wasn’t in my list of top 10. I chose “bimbo” as I was trying to be polite.

    “You also seem to idolize your bike and your abilities and your own piousness! Who cares how fast your bike is and what it can do?”

    First, I certainly don’t idolize anything or anyone other than perhaps my wife and certainly not a motorcycle. It’s simply a piece of transportation. My point is that these choppers aren’t even good for that. And when a $600 overweight and underpowered bike like an 1979 XS750 can out-handle and out-perform all of these choppers, you’ve got to ask why anyone would want one. They have a long record of being unsafe and undependable which combines with their high initial cost and high cost of maintenance to make them one of the most expensive pieces of useless mechanical art on wheels. To someone they look good. Other than that, they aren’t good for squat.

  284. gid2get  August 29th

    You idolize your wife? Thou shalt have no other gods before me! An idol (that is the recipient of being idolize) is a god! So you do not always follow your bible. And you never answered my question as to if your wife were allowed her own opinions and thoughts apart from yours. And if they are in opposition to yours, is she still worthy enough to remain your wife? You seem to think that your way of thinking and believing is the only way, so I just wonder. Or perhaps she is too afraid to have her own thoughts and opinions. As for being kind about refering to the young woman as a bimbo…I am sure she can do without your kind of kindness. You lable anyone who doesn’t agree with your or your ways of thinking and living. As I asked you once before…..WHEN DID YOUR GOD DIE AND LEAVE YOU IN CHARGE? Thank the good energies that there are people who do not believe and condemn and judge as you do. Human kind at least has a chance with these people more than we have with your kind. You run your mouth so much about how good you are and how pious your family because you teach them to be. I really hope that one day the fates don’t hand you a terrible blow of some kind. I believe you wouldn’t be able to handle it and those you call names will probably be the one most willing to forgive. You have shown that you for all of your religion are not a kind and forgiving person. Kind only to those who feel and believe and behave as you do. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk.

  285. purplerider  August 29th

    Hay gid2get it realy is sad to think that people would rather dog somone rather then trust that all will learn from there mistakes as we all do. It is just part of life. Yes it is very sad that someone had to die none of us want to see that weather you ride or not. I trust that billy is not sitting home joking around like this never happend. He will pay,and i will support.

  286. purplerider  August 29th

    Silver all i can say to you is that your comment is a bit over the edge. And that is me being nice.

  287. gid2get  August 30th

    As will I, purplrider. I will always support him and try very hard to not be judgemental. Judgements by our peers never do anyone any good.

  288. gid2get  August 30th

    Purplerider, you sound as if you are a very understanding, caring, tolerant and non-judgemental person. You are the kind of person I enjoy corresponding with. It is nice to be able to correspond with someone who doesn’t hold everyone else up to HIS standards. Someone who is smart enough to know that we all make mistakes. It is sometimes hard to make the correct decisions when we get too much too soon and don’t know how to handle it.

  289. silver  August 30th

    “Someone who is smart enough to know that we all make mistakes.”

    Yeah but how many of your mistakes have cost someone their life ?

    “You idolize your wife?”

    Hmmm, I think the operative word there was “perhaps”. I think more of her than I do any other person on this little dirt ball. That’s as far as it goes. And yes, believe it or not I’m so benevolent that I do in fact allow her to make a decision or two. Sometimes without even consulting me. I know it ‘s a shock but it’s true. ;>0

    In point of fact she handles all of the bills and finances in our home. She is responsible for our children’s education and all of our medical welfare. She also is the “social organizer” in that she maintains connections with all parts of our family, our church and our friends. She schedules family outings and points out any interesting community events. In short, she runs everything in our home.

    People that don’t judge others are too busy being lost in themselves. Narcissism is an extremely addictive psychosis.

    Now please stop attacking me just because you don’t want to hear the truth about Billy Lane as I see it.

  290. gid2get  August 30th

    Well, the truth about Billy is something we would never hear from someone as biased and self-righteous as you are. And if you think this great planet is such a little dirtball, why don’t you just go somewhere else. Trust me, you won’t be missed. Your wife sounds as if she might have some sense, but the jury is out on that as she married you. But then again, perhaps she felt sorry for you because she saw that all you are capable of is judging others and being a pain in the a**. I regret having roots in Tennessee after getting to know you.

  291. silver  August 30th

    gid2get – “Well, the truth about Billy is something we would never hear from someone as biased and self-righteous as you are.”

    “You want the truth ? You can’t handle the truth !” I love that line ! Heh heh ! Unfortunately, in this case, it hits pretty close to the mark.

    gid2get – “And if you think this great planet is such a little dirtball, why don’t you just go somewhere else.”

    I would except Bush and the warmongers have usurped the budget for space travel and derailed NASA for the past 25 years.

    gid2get – “Trust me, you won’t be missed.”

    But who would take care of my horses ?

    gid2get – “Your wife sounds as if she might have some sense, but the jury is out on that as she married you.”

    I’d tell you but I’m not one to brag. ;>)

    gid2get – “But then again, perhaps she felt sorry for you because she saw that all you are capable of is judging others and being a pain in the a**.”

    Nah, it’s really quite simple. She knows my capabilities. I’m a polymath. Perhaps not the warm-and-fuzzy type on the internet but that’s not why I’m here.

    gid2get – “I regret having roots in Tennessee after getting to know you.”

    LOL ! I knew there was something Southern in ya ! I’ll bet all of that self-defense training your husband has comes in handy now and then. So I guess you won’t be voting for Thompson ?

  292. silver  August 30th

    “.. but the jury is out on that as she married you.”

    So I just had to ask her and she quickly replies :

    “Because of your charm!”

    LOL ! Who knew ? !

  293. gid2get  August 30th

    Because of your charm? Hmmm maybe your wife really does have a sense of humor after all.

    As for your not being one to brag; you do that all the time when you tell us how pious and righteous you are and how great you rear your family.

    And because you are learned in many areas, that makes you all knowing? Jack of all trades…..master of none most likely.

    As for your horses, Mother Nature will provide for them and only man is so arrogant to think he is the only one who can provide better.

    It is you, sir, who can’t handle truth. You think you know all and see all. Well, no matter what you read in the papers, you don’t know how Billy feels or what he is thinking. You can only see what is on the outside. Facades can be deceiving. Such as the one you are tying to show us about you.

    If you can’t go into space, dig a hole and pull it in after you.

  294. silver  August 30th

    gid2get – “Because of your charm? Hmmm maybe your wife really does have a sense of humor after all.”

    No doubt about it ! But that don’t mean I ain’t charming !

    gid2get – “As for your not being one to brag; you do that all the time when you tell us how pious and righteous you are and how great you rear your family.”

    Never said I was either righteous or pious. I said I go to church and actively contribute to our local community. You can make out of that what you will but I’ve never presumed to be anything more than a good and responsible person trying to raise a family and help my community avoid the moral erosion that people like Billy Lane are pushing across America.

    gid2get – “And because you are learned in many areas, that makes you all knowing? Jack of all trades…..master of none most likely.”

    Oh master of a few actually. Graphic design, photography, computer and web programming. Pretty decent with a wrench as well though I won’t work on most newer cars. Virtually everything now needs a special computer to work on it.

    gid2get – “As for your horses, Mother Nature will provide for them and only man is so arrogant to think he is the only one who can provide better.”

    Well when we got them we saw how Ma Nature took care of them. In case you’ve forgotten, Tennessee has a lot of surface rock. Never seen hooves so chipped up before.

    gid2get – “It is you, sir, who can’t handle truth. You think you know all and see all. Well, no matter what you read in the papers, you don’t know how Billy feels or what he is thinking. You can only see what is on the outside. Facades can be deceiving. Such as the one you are tying to show us about you.”

    Man ! You are more tenacious than my red-haired bluetick ! Sometimes you have to let it go ma’am.

    As to how Billy feels, I can see enough to let me know that he’s more concerned about saving his butt than doing the right thing.

    gid2get – “If you can’t go into space, dig a hole and pull it in after you.”

    Nope. Not really into spelunking. Tried it but just didn’t get the whole being a mole thing. Now if you can arrange for the next flight to ISS, I’ll happily oblige you.

  295. gid2get  August 30th

    Nope, I think I’d just rather let you rot on this earth than pay to send you anywhere. You constantly hold Billy up to example and degrade and judge him. Well, he isn’t the first and he won’t be the last. I would rather believe that his friends’ faith that this will make him a better person and their letters letting him know they are behind him will do him and society much more good than you condemning judgements ever will.

    As far as your horses and chipped hooves, they were surviving much longer with Mother Nature than they do with man. Same goes for most animals because men have to show their testosterone with cock-fighting, horse racing, dog fighting and any other sport using and abusing animals to line their pockets.

    As for being boastful…..THAT you are. You never tire of reminding us that you go to church, teach your kids right, do for others and on and on. That, is boasting. You needed only mention it once; in fact, if you hadn’t mentioned it at all, you would have seemed much more humble. But I am guessing (and it is only guessing because you don’t really matter to me in the plan of things) being humble isn’t one of the lessons you learn in church either.

    You can’t get into being a mole? Well, tell that to the miner’s who risk their lives just so you can have electricity or heat. And as smart as you are, you should know that I do not mean your own personal home, but the big companies who make use of the coal so that you can live comfortably. Were I there, I would gladly give you a boot to send your sorry, condemning, judging butt into space!

    As for letting go, yeah I can really let you go as you are not worth my time. I will continue to back Billy and the good he has done in the past and will do in the future in spite of malicious, condemning idiots such as yourself.

  296. silver  August 30th

    gid2get – “Nope, I think I’d just rather let you rot on this earth than pay to send you anywhere.”

    Shoot ! Are you sure I can’t convince you ?

    gid2get – “You constantly hold Billy up to example and degrade and judge him.

    I think I already included Ted Kennedy though I can dig for others if you like. Lohan and Richie are couple that pop off the top of my head though I’m not big on keeping up with celebrities.

    gid2get – “I would rather believe that his friends’ faith that this will make him a better person and their letters letting him know they are behind him will do him and society much more good than you condemning judgements ever will.”

    I’m for whatever works but I think you’re a little too confident that such an approach would actually work.

    gid2get – “As far as your horses and chipped hooves, they were surviving much longer with Mother Nature than they do with man. Same goes for most animals because men have to show their testosterone with cock-fighting, horse racing, dog fighting and any other sport using and abusing animals to line their pockets.”

    Hmmm average horse in the wild _might_ live to be 20. When taken care of they can easily hit 25 or even 30. There goes another theory.

    gid2get – “As for being boastful…..THAT you are. You never tire of reminding us that you go to church, teach your kids right, do for others and on and on. That, is boasting.”

    Nope, that’s my plan that we work on every single day. Sorry that upsets you so much.

    gid2get – “You needed only mention it once; in fact, if you hadn’t mentioned it at all, you would have seemed much more humble. But I am guessing (and it is only guessing because you don’t really matter to me in the plan of things) being humble isn’t one of the lessons you learn in church either.”

    We learn a lot there. You should try it sometime.

    gid2get – “You can’t get into being a mole? Well, tell that to the miner’s who risk their lives just so you can have electricity or heat. And as smart as you are, you should know that I do not mean your own personal home, but the big companies who make use of the coal so that you can live comfortably. Were I there, I would gladly give you a boot to send your sorry, condemning, judging butt into space!”

    A: I didn’t tell them to climb into a hole to dig out coal.
    B: Tennessee get over 40% of it’s enegy from either hydroelectric or nuclear power.

    gid2get – “As for letting go, yeah I can really let you go as you are not worth my time. I will continue to back Billy and the good he has done in the past and will do in the future in spite of malicious, condemning idiots such as yourself.”

    You want to do Billy a favor ? Let him fall. As hard and as fast as possible. Once a man hits bottom, the only direction he can go is up.

  297. gid2get  August 30th

    You want to do Billy a favor ? Let him fall. As hard and as fast as possible. Once a man hits bottom, the only direction he can go is up.

    The same could be said for you, you who are so full of yourself. As far as the horses, perhaps they don’t fare too well in the wild because man is taking that from them.

    As for your power in your state of Tennessee, well aren’t you just so lucky that you don’t have to depend on the men who risk their lives so the rest of us have power. You didn’t tell them to go into the earth, well some people really do work hard for a living and they don’t have to listen to self-righteous people like you telling them that they could have done better if they had gone to college or gotten a trade. I think I would really rather not go to church because of people such as yourself. And you never did tell me where all of those people who died before a one-god THEORY, went to. If they didn’t know a god existed, how could they go to heaven or hell? I believe in good and evil. I believe a man can do good deeds and have an evil heart. I believe a man can have a good heart, make a mistake and do an evil deed, but learn from it and try to not commit evil deeds again. Guess where I place you. I truely believe you have an evil heart. Even Sister Theresa didn’t believe in your god. She just wanted to be able to help people and with some religions, they will only help if done in their name so they can have all of the credit. You are like those good churches and their people; you do good to get noticed or to buy your way into your heaven.

  298. silver  August 30th

    Evil ? You mean like going out and having a good time and getting somebody killed ? Wrong guy. And I’ve been down. Not all of us are born into privilege.

  299. gid2get  August 30th

    You are evil in your thoughts and feelings for what you wish on other people. You sound like a crybaby who whines because he wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Well tough cookies baby, a lot of us have to work hard and we don’t begrudge someone who has made it whether they were born with the means or had to work hard to get there. We are also human and humble enough to know that people make mistakes, sometimes bad things come from these mistakes, but hopefully we learn from them. As I stated earlier, you would not be ranting and raving had the roles been reversed and it was Mr. Morelock’s drunk operation of a vehicle that killed someone. No, it is because Billy has notariety, money, babes and lives his life. He doesn’t tell you or anyone else how to live theirs.

    Now, this is a free country and because many lives have been lost to keep it that way, you are entitled to your opinion. It is, as I understand it, Billy did it, he should go to trial, be convicted and take the consequences. Fine. Stop the whinning that he has more than me, that he builds crappy bikes, that he has babes, that he has tattoos, etc. He wouldn’t tell you how to dress, what to put on your body, who to run with or anything else concerning your life. So, it isn’t up to you to tell him either. Jealousy is a very green-eyed monster and can be an evil that eats at us without our knowing it. Let it rest. Let the laws of the land handle it. Let the god you believe in be the judge. And he wouldn’t lable you because of how you live, who your friends are, or what you do in life, in the future, or have done in the past.

  300. silver  August 31st

    gid2get – “You are evil in your thoughts and feelings for what you wish on other people.”

    Gasp ! I don’t believe me ! I actually think that there is some justice in having a murderer become the boy-toy for Dick the Bruiser ! Geee, what was I thinkin’ ? !!

    gid2get – “You sound like a crybaby who whines because he wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth.”

    LOL ! Boy you really know how to take something ot of context don’t you ?

    gid2get – “We are also human and humble enough to know that people make mistakes, sometimes bad things come from these mistakes, but hopefully we learn from them.”

    An error in addition is a mistake. Killing someone is called murder. Pretty big difference.

    gid2get – “As I stated earlier, you would not be ranting and raving had the roles been reversed and it was Mr. Morelock’s drunk operation of a vehicle that killed someone.”

    You can’t speak to what I would or wouldn’t say. Also I certainly would have BBQ’ed my own brother had he killed someone.

    gid2get – “No, it is because Billy has notariety, money, babes and lives his life.”

    And because he has been given all of that from an adoring public segment he has an even higher level of responsibility. Just the same as did Clinton when he had his little affair with Lewinsky.

    gid2get – “Let it rest. Let the laws of the land handle it. Let the god you believe in be the judge. And he wouldn’t lable you because of how you live, who your friends are, or what you do in life, in the future, or have done in the past.”

    Just because God and the law will judge Billy doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion also. My opinion carries no weight but the last I looked I still live in a nation that values free speech.

    “And he wouldn’t lable you because of how you live, who your friends are, or what you do in life, in the future, or have done in the past.”\

    Oh. So he wouldn’t use terms like “Bible thumper”, “Mr. Know-it-all”, “holier-than-thou “, “Smart mouth”, “pious”, “pathetic”, “piece of crap”, “intolerant”, “jealous”, “superficial”, “self-righteous”, “unforgiving” ???

  301. gid2get  August 31st

    No, Billy probably would not use those words. Those are mine because that is how you come across. You call a female you do not know a Bimbo because of what you assume her actions to be. You are not willing to forgive her transgressions, but continue to lable her. You should be proud to wear most of those lables I gave you as that is how you come across.

    A mistake is any lesson, whether in math or in life, that you learn from. If you do not learn from it and continue repeating it, then it isn’t a lesson. Billy didn’t learn from getting a DUI, and the sad truth is that someone died from it. But, when he pays his dues and no longer drives while under the influence, will you still continue to condemn him? If so, why should your god forgive you of your sins and trespasses?

  302. silver  August 31st

    gid2get – “No, Billy probably would not use those words. Those are mine because that is how you come across.”

    So it is OK to form an opinion of someone on the internet based on their commentary but it’s not OK to have an opinion based on someones actions and inactions as documented by the police and published in the press ?

    gid2get – “You call a female you do not know a Bimbo because of what you assume her actions to be.”

    You’re right. I did make an assumption. Letsee, girl goes to a bar, meets a guy wearing dreds, tattoos and blowing enough alcohol to be a fire hazard. Said girl leaves the pub with gent on his hog, switches vehicles after a short layover at the gents place of business and is heading to his home when the plans get interupted by an a vehicular accident caused by the gent she’s with.

    And before I completely forget, did you happen to read her myspace stuff before it was pulled down ? Not one word of remorse regarding Mr.Morelock. Not ONE ! In fact it stated that while being bruised up a little she was “ready to party”. Yeah, bimbo is not exactly what I’d like to use but like it or not you’ll find it far more pallatable.

    gid2get – “You are not willing to forgive her transgressions, but continue to lable her. You should be proud to wear most of those lables I gave you as that is how you come across.”

    We all wear some socially accepted labels. Father, husband, wife, mother, etc. However labels like “Bible thumper” are more telling of the intolerance of those that use the term than of the person being labeled.

    gid2get – “A mistake is any lesson, whether in math or in life, that you learn from. If you do not learn from it and continue repeating it, then it isn’t a lesson. Billy didn’t learn from getting a DUI, and the sad truth is that someone died from it. But, when he pays his dues and no longer drives while under the influence, will you still continue to condemn him? If so, why should your god forgive you of your sins and trespasses?”

    Whether God would forgive me or not is a matter neither of us can address. But I would state that if I acted like Billy is doing currently, I wouldn’t forgive myself. Addressing a situation immediately and transparantly is in everyones best interest. Having lawyers playing their games in a vain effort to save your backside when you’re guilty as sin is the sign of someone that either has fallen or always has lived in the ways of the world and has no sense of self-respect.

  303. chuck  August 31st

    first of all billy lane is a human being i hope the victim is compensated
    meaning his family and billy needs more than jail he needs help for his chemical dependency people make mistake many times tragic a friend of Bill’s

  304. gid2get  August 31st

    Making judgements on the internet may not be the best way to learn about someone, but when they say they are Christian and believe in their bible and then condemn others, then yeah, I labeled you. You are a nobody of no importance (and I assume this because we don’t know your real name) so we don’t know what you have or have not done in the past. You come off as upstanding and never doing anything that would ever hurt anyone. But we don’t know that for sure just as you know nothing about me. Yes, I admit I label you without knowing you, but you are the one who started the whole thing by judging and condemning Billy because of what you read and hear. Of course, newspapers NEVER slant a story and they always have the WHOLE story and would never make anything up. And the radio is just as honest. All I am trying to get across is that the incident happened, there were witnesses, there will be a trial and Billy will be judged. Now whether you agree with the outcome or not, it will be judged in a court of law and if it is settled out of court, well, then Mr. Morelock’s family would rather have money than a judgement…….right? If Billy were to get off and had a driver for the rest of his life, you would still bitch and moan. Why can’t you just let the justice system handle it. And sir, just because a female goes into a bar, it doesn’t make her a bimbo, drunk, or a bad person. When I was unmarried, I went to bars with my friends because I didn’t drink and I did the driving. Yesh, I was labeled too because I was either seen in bars, going into bars, or coming out of bars, but not having my friends drive while drunk was more important to me. Too bad Billy didn’t have friends (real friends and not hangers-on or roadies) to drive him.

    And as for forgiving himself, you cannot know what is going on in his mind.

    I happen to agree with Chuck, Billy did wrong, should pay, and get help. Help not for just his alcohol, but help in dealing with this mentally and with his fame as well.

    And why should I not lable you as bible thumper? That is all you have done is tell how moral you are and how righteous you raise your family and how high your standards are. Heaven help your family and friends who one day cannot stay on that high plain you have deemed necessary if they want to remain in your good standing.

  305. gid2get  August 31st

    Chuck, I think you are a very decent human being who can realize that any of us could be in Billy’s position. An accident that takes someone’s life could happen to any of us and it wouldn’t have to be drunk driving that caused it, either. So as a lot of Christians like to say, “There but for the grace of God go I”. Too bad that Silver can’t realize that maybe there is so much missing in Billy’s life that the path he is taking seems to him, to be the only way. You’re right, he needs help and friends who will stand, not just behind him, but beside him as well. If no one ever tries helping him and all they can do is condemn him, how will he ever see that he needs help?

  306. Silver  August 31st

    gid2get – “Yes, I admit I label you without knowing you, but you are the one who started the whole thing by judging and condemning Billy because of what you read and hear.”

    I’m far from being alone in criticizing Billy’s lifestyle prior to the accident and his actions since.

    gid2get – “Now whether you agree with the outcome or not, it will be judged in a court of law and if it is settled out of court, well, then Mr. Morelock’s family would rather have money than a judgement…….right? ”

    Exactly what else could they get ? A pound of flesh ?

    gid2get – “If Billy were to get off and had a driver for the rest of his life, you would still bitch and moan.”

    You betcha !

    gid2get – “Why can’t you just let the justice system handle it.”

    I have no problem with “justice handling it” however the law and justice rarely agree on an issue.

    gid2get – “And sir, just because a female goes into a bar, it doesn’t make her a bimbo, drunk, or a bad person.”

    Didn’t say it did. But what she does there and who she does what with and why does make her a bimbo. Very few o

    gid2get – “When I was unmarried, I went to bars with my friends because I didn’t drink and I did the driving. Yes, I was labeled too because I was either seen in bars, going into bars, or coming out of bars, but not having my friends drive while drunk was more important to me. Too bad Billy didn’t have friends (real friends and not hangers-on or roadies) to drive him.”

    Agreed but then billy chose his lifestyle and in so doing he chose his friends.

    gid2get – “And as for forgiving himself, you cannot know what is going on in his mind.”

    Then enlighten me. Show me a sign of some minimal degree of remorse. Just one.

    gid2get – “I happen to agree with Chuck, Billy did wrong, should pay, and get help. Help not for just his alcohol, but help in dealing with this mentally and with his fame as well.”

    You cannot help someone who doesn’t want help. Even once you get them moving in the right direction, keeping them on track is a full time job.

    gid2get – “And why should I not lable you as bible thumper?

    Then don’t get your feathers in a fluff when I call billy a murderer.

    gid2get – “That is all you have done is tell how moral you are and how righteous you raise your family and how high your standards are. Heaven help your family and friends who one day cannot stay on that high plain you have deemed necessary if they want to remain in your good standing.”

    Yeah, it’s really hard to do the right things day in and day out. Not.

    gid2get – “…. any of us could be in Billy’s position.”

    Only if you choose to do so. Billy chose his lifestyle. He chose to get drunk, pickup a bimbo and drive a truck in an extremely reckless fashion. Choices like that don’t lead to accidents. They inevitably lead to disasters.

    gid2get – “An accident that takes someone’s life could happen to any of us and it wouldn’t have to be drunk driving that caused it, either.

    I don’t think anyone has said that an accidental death was anyones fault. What _I_ have said is that Billy chose to drink and drive and to drive recklessly in the extreme. Unless you consider passing three cars in a No Passing zone to be safe !

    gid2get – “So as a lot of Christians like to say, “There but for the grace of God go I”. Too bad that Silver can’t realize that maybe there is so much missing in Billy’s life that the path he is taking seems to him, to be the only way.

    Again, taking a quote waaaaaay out of context !

    “On seeing several criminals being led to the scaffold in the 16th century, English Protestant martyr John Bradford remarked, ‘There but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford.’ His words, without his name, are still very common ones today for expressing one’s blessings compared to the fate of another. Bradford was later burned at the stake as a heretic.” From the “Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins” by Robert Hendrickson, Facts on File, New York, 1997.

    Unless you believe in predestination then you have to admit that we all have a choice as to our actions and inactions. Our choices directly influence cause and effect. Billy made his choices. A lot of them were questinable however that’s his right as a human. What isn’t his right is to choose a course of action that leads to the death of another person.

    gid2get – “You’re right, he needs help and friends who will stand, not just behind him, but beside him as well. If no one ever tries helping him and all they can do is condemn him, how will he ever see that he needs help?

    He needed help long before now. Typical of “fair weather” friends, they only provide support when they believe they’re needed.

  307. gid2get  September 1st

    Again, you justify your way of thinking and as for the quote, most Christians believe it applies to those who would follow a wrong path if not for their faith and trust in god. There is also a saying that goes…god helps those that help themselves. Well, if we help ourselves, why do we need a god? Your bible is a book of parables sir. Lessons as to how we should live our lives. And as I said once or twice before, show me where any of your people of the bible are buried or proof other than the bible that they existed at all.

    You just like to show off your knowledge of some things and your debating technique. Well, show it off elsewhere and condemn and judge all you wish. If you really believe in your bible you, too, will be judged. And as we don’t know you from a hill of beans, we don’t know what all you have done in your life that you haven’t admitted to and your saying there is nothing to admit, isn’t proof.

  308. Silver  September 1st

    gid2get – “Again, you justify your way of thinking and as for the quote, most Christians believe it applies to those who would follow a wrong path if not for their faith and trust in god.”

    Then it follows that they don’t believe they have a choice in how they lead their lives ? That’s not correct. We have free will and all the responsibility that comes with it.

    gid2get – “There is also a saying that goes…god helps those that help themselves. Well, if we help ourselves, why do we need a god? Your bible is a book of parables sir. Lessons as to how we should live our lives. And as I said once or twice before, show me where any of your people of the bible are buried or proof other than the bible that they existed at all.”

    Firstly, I never claimed to be a geologist. Secondly, finding the remains of anyone from 2000 years ago is pretty hard. Especially those that were not well to do. Remember that the leaders of the Romans and Jews didn’t exactly take kindly to Christians and that hiding became a way of life for over 300 years. Nero even blamed Christians for the burning of Rome !

    gid2get – “If you really believe in your bible you, too, will be judged. And as we don’t know you from a hill of beans, we don’t know what all you have done in your life that you haven’t admitted to and your saying there is nothing to admit, isn’t proof.”

    I don’t believe that I’ve said anything either way other than I’ve made my share of mistakes. We all have and I think it’s fair to say that most of us have accepted our responsibility for the consequences without question or even objection. Quite unlike Billy of course.

  309. gid2get  September 1st

    Records were kept no matter what you try to convince others of, there would be records of births deaths and where burried. Budha’s followers made sure his writings were preserved. Guess no one really cared that much about your god or maybe he didn’t exist after all except as a common man who married had children and tried living a good life to set an example as to what he thought should be the way we conduct our lives.

    Don’t you mean you aren’t an anthropologist or even an archeologist? A geologist is one who studies the physical structure of the earth.

    And we only have your word that you have accepted responsibilities and consequences for any wrong doings you have had or done.

    As for a choice, no, they don’t have. They follow the bible and its lessons much as the mennonites and amish do using what is provided for them from the hard work of their own hands.

  310. silver  September 1st

    gid2get – “Records were kept no matter what you try to convince others”

    Really ? Well I’m glad to hear that. There seem to be a rather large number of people who haven’t been completely accounted for in Europe. I’m glad you have now decreed that they have all been located and the history books will now be completed.

    gid2get – “Don’t you mean you aren’t an anthropologist or even an archeologist? A geologist is one who studies the physical structure of the earth.”.

    Yes, archeologist. Unfortunately I was typing that in while getting ready for work so my apologies for the mistake. And I am familiar with geology. I spent part of my formative years in Indiana which is a vertible gold mine geologically speaking.

    gid2get – “As for a choice, no, they don’t have. They follow the bible and its lessons much as the mennonites and amish do using what is provided for them from the hard work of their own hands.”

    Reading, understanding and applyng are the three steps necessary to lay the foundation for a Chistian life. What you read, how you interpret it and how you apply it to your life are your choices. To say that we have no choice is to say that were are completely incapable and untrustworthy which is not consistent with the teachings in the Bible.

  311. gid2get  September 1st

    Missing records? You always have excuses when dealing with your bible. There aren’t THAT many records lost! Anyway, have a good life and continue in your condemning ways. You just continue to be you and I will continue to be me. Life is better that way. You really aren’t as intelligent as you believe yourself to be. Excuse making, maybe, but really not all that intelligent. As the old song goes: You can see the stars and still not see the light!

  312. gid2get  September 1st

    Indiana? Gee, I regret that I could have known you after all. I am from Ohio. Now I know why you studied so hard and try to convince others of your intelligence…..until just a few years ago, Indiana schools were not that good. Henceforth, I homeschooled my youngest because the system kept getting worse.

  313. Silver  September 1st

    I guess that’s why they call it “faith” ;>)

    I can’t speak for the majority of schools in Indiana but the one I went to in Washington was undoubtedly the very best school I attended. I assume that its progressive nature was due to fact that the faculty knew that 90% of the students were heading to college as there simply were no jobs locally. Homeschooling is the best option today as the educational system has been sacrificed on the liberals’ alters of political correctness and political agenda advancement.

  314. gid2get  September 2nd

    And a lack of interest by most parents to know what is going on within their school systems. It is easier to blame the government, the liberals, or anyone else as long as we don’t have to accept the blame for allowing things to progress that are not in the best interest of our children. It is easier to blame someone else.

  315. Silver  September 2nd

    It’s a very complicated issue really. While the parents often share in the blame, the fact is that the educational system (based on the Prussian school system to train factory workers) is self-perpetuating in that the parents are deliberately under-educated as well. This forces them to take jobs that do not pay well enough to afford any realistic quality of living and therefore they have to work more and are too exhausted to address such issues. There is plenty of blame to go around but the liberals have the majority share. From eliminating discipline to pushing pluralism to providing education for illegal aliens to perpetuating the welfate state, they have sentenced America to being a 3rd rate nation at best.

  316. gid2get  September 2nd

    Well, it seems to be the Republicans and your dear President Bush who wishes to keep the illegals here, even to the point of putting everything in Spanish as well so that they can read what is going on around them. Excuse me! We didn’t do it for the Italian, German, Dutch, Japanese, etc., immigrants and there is no reason to spend excess dollars in printing and recording everything for the Hispanic immigrant. He wants to live here, learn our language and our ways and abide by them; otherwise, go back to the country that spawned them!! It is an insult to every immigrant who went through the citizen process legally.

    As for the schools, blame and double talk all you want to. You may consider me quite dumb, but my dauther carried a 4.0 all through school and a 3.9 all through college while holding down 2 and 3 jobs, paying all of her own expenses as well as living in her own apartment, having her own car and paying her own car insurance. And it all goes back to the parents who vote their reps in and can express what kind of schools they want for their kids and what they expect of those who run the schools. Still easier to blame isn’t it. Yes, it is complicated, but WE have allowed it to become so complicated, political, and tied up in red tape.

  317. Silver  September 3rd

    #1 – He might be El Presidente but I didn’t vote for the twit so he is definitely not my “dear President Bush” in any way, shape or form ! Remember he’s the twit that enacted the “No Child Left Behind” BS !

    Generally speaking I count the Republicans as liberals right along side the Democrats. They are morally conservative however they are extremely liberal when it comes to spending tax payers monies. NOTE !

    Just 3 more days until the national debt rolls over 9 TRILLION DOLLARS !
    http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

    Unfortunately Republicans have a vested interest in keeping the flow of illegal aliens coming in to help businesses with cheap labor. I also wonder about the effect these same aliens have on our elections. Unfortunately Congress doesn’t want to address the issue.

  318. Herlado  September 10th

    Anyone who drinks an drives their motorcycel is asking for it! Only losers of th ehighest caliber do things like that, a guy I was riding with just yesterday decided to drink and drive his motorcycle. I warned him about it and he gave me that “fu” attitude. When I ran out of gas, guess what, he never came back like he said he would, fortunatly some guy helped me. Point being? If you see another biker drinking and driving, just stay out of his way and don’t ride with him because most likely hes just an asshole looking for attention.

  319. gid2get  September 10th

    Heraldo, does that go for ALL bikers who drink and ride? I hope so. Do you realize that Mr. Morelock had also been drinking when he got on that motorcycle of his?

  320. Silver  September 10th

    Ummmm, he did say “Anyone “.

  321. gid2get  September 10th

    Yes, Silver, he did. But like you, he might mean only those who have money, babes and notoriety…..things most don’t have. If you’d stop and really think instead of condemning, you might realize YOU guys are the lucky ones. You have people who really care about you and are around you just because they like YOU and not because of your fame or fortune. You see, Billy isn’t so lucky after all and yet you still begrudge him of the few real friends he has. Shame on you.

  322. Herlado  September 13th

    I meant everyone, including Billy and the other guy on the bike. so Gidget, stop trying to defend this piece of road trash that killed someone! maybe YOU should take a look around and realize that maybe YOU should stop sucking Billy’s ass wind. He killed someone and that’s it! end of story, time for jail buddy just like everyone else, because if that was YOU, YOU would surley be going off to jail and taking it in the cornhole. have a nice life.

  323. gid2get  September 13th

    I must have a much better life than you because you sound so miserable and angry. Yes, it could be me and yes, I might have to go to jail. Just because I can forgive someone, it doesn’t make me an a**kisser or any of your other names you wish to call me. Sorry you vocabulary is so limited that you can only use vulgar language. Perhaps it is YOU who should get a life. Billy is a friend and I will support him as I would any other friend. I don’t have to agree with things my friends do or have done, but I certainly can stand beside them and help them. If you haven’t true friends, that is YOUR problem. It is always easier for others to condemn and when they do so as strongly as you and others have done, you wonder what they might be hiding or what they did and had to pay for it and are upset that someone of notoriety might get out of trouble. Well, as I have said before. YOU, Silver, or any of us know what is going through Billy’s mind and how he feels. You only surmise it just as I surmise what you are by the language you use and the hate in your messages. YOU, have a good life, mine already is quite good, thank you.

  324. Silver  September 13th

    I might not agree with Heraldo’s choice of adjectives however I completely agree with his sentiment. And it’s easy to tell how Billy feels. Guilty as sin. Unfortunately he’s not man enough to admit it. Ahhhh, but the slow wheels of justice are turning ever so slowly until he’s caught in them, and then ….. !

  325. gid2get  September 14th

    Billy will serve whatever sentence is given to him. And I group you with Heraldo, vulgar, jealous, hateful, judgemental, and on and on. You and Heraldo are no one important enough to have your names plastered all over the newspapers and television if you have ever done any wrong. You are nobodies so therefore we have only YOUR word that you have never done an injustice. BUT, from the tone and anger in both of you, it sounds as if you have and had to take punishment and you are afraid Billy will escape his. Well, sorry, he won’t. You two are happy to judge him simply because he is who he is. And I was sorry to see the dreds go…..he looks great the way his hair is cut now, but I liked his dreds too. He was always clean and I never heard a curse word from him while he was around kids. And when he did slip now and then in mixed company, he always apologized. There is the TV personna and the real Billy. The TV personna has been in charge for a long while. Hopefully, this will bring back the genuine Billy who really is a nice guy; tattoos and all! By the way, Silver, my daughter was married in the Oxford Methodist Church in Oxford, Ohio and her minister has a tattoo and rides a bike. Rode it to the wedding. He’s a great guy who sees the hearts of people and tries not judging. Ishowed him your comments that your minister said and all he would say is, “perhaps he has seen too much negative and has forgotten to look for the good and try to help others to see the way.” NOW that is a real minister. As for Billy, he says he made a terrible mistake and will not only be judged here on earth, but in Heaven as well. Therefore he has nothing to say except that he hopes Billy has learned a lesson from all of this and he will pray for the Morelock family. Even though I am not a believer in your god, I really admire this minister. He is what religion is supposed to be about…..teaching not judging.

  326. Silver  September 14th

    As noted previously, judging is a part of who and what we are. You can’t escape it no more than you can shed your ego. And how does your minister feel about Billie’s conduct since the accident ? His attending all of the events and such.

    By the way, I really have to hand it to Billy when it comes down to plain ol’ male chauvinism ! Those covers and videos he has on his site definitely show what he thinks of women ! Come to think of it, he hasn’t had a cover since 2004. I wonder why ?

  327. gid2get  September 14th

    It doesn’t have to be a part of who or what we are……we can try not to judge. And yes, I am guilty of it as much as the next person, but it doesn’t make it right.

    As for Billy’s perception of women, look at the UFC, WEC, WWE, or any of the “MALE” events and how they portray women. It isn’t just Billy, but he is the one you are down on at the moment so he is all you can focus on.

    And as long as he is free, why shouldn’t he travel to the events? You don’t know what he is talking about or if someone is asking him about his accident and you don’t know that he isn’t warning them that if they aren’t careful, it could happen to them. YOU only ASSUME to know what he does and thinks and feels.

    Careful you don’t fall off of that high horse you are on. I would hate to have to shoot it because you got hurt when you fell.

  328. Silver  September 14th

    My horse is part American Saddlebred and part Bedouin Arabian so she’s not so tall but she’s plenty strong.

    As to Billy Lane, a mans actions reflect his feelings.

  329. gid2get  September 14th

    Well, then, you won’t have too far to fall and may not get hurt to badly, but then again……
    As for a man’s actions reflecting his feelings….you are SO very wrong. Many a person has been wrongly judged because of his/her actions and/or feelings. Why I could be reading you wrongly because of what you have had to say. You might be someone I would really like to meet, but your feelings make me feel very strongly otherwise. You come off as a hard, unfeeling, self righteous, overbearing, know it all a**hole who believes HIS god died and left him in charge of judging people.

  330. Silver  September 15th

    Gid2get – “As for a man’s actions reflecting his feelings….you are SO very wrong.”

    LOL ! Perhaps you’re right. I should have said “An honest mans actions reflect his feelings”. And I certainly consider entering a plea of not guilty when you know darn good and well that you are to be one very serious act of dishonesty !

  331. gid2get  September 16th

    And who are you to judge? How do I know YOU are an honest person? I don’t know that anymore than you would know that I am. As for Billy, there is nothing anyone could say that you would ever agree with if it concerns Billy, so as far as I am concerned, YOUR opinions are yours and don’t count at all with me. You are always the one to say it is human nature to do this or to do that or to say this or that; well, it is human nature to take every step to save one’s self, so if Billy is using the methods given to EVERYONE in this USofA, it is his right as well as human nature. And you can say you would own up and take your punishment all you want, but until that day would happen, we have no way of knowing if you would practice what you are so good at preaching. The Native Americans have a very good rule to live by: “do not judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes” and in spite of everything and every opportunity Billy has been given, you don’t know what his life is like until you have walked a mile in his shoes.

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  333. Silver  September 16th

    I’d suggest that you consider all people honest until they prove otherwise. Billy has already proven he lacks integrity. Self-preservation is definitely a natural instinct however one of the many differences between Man and monkey is that we recognize the Rule of Law. The thought about “walk a mile” is inappropriate in that it is used to indicate a better understanding of the person is needed. That is not the case here. The facts are plain.

    A) Billy Lane killed someone while driving recklessly and intoxicated well beyond any marginal level.

    B) Billy claimed to be “not guilty” when he was finally charged.

    C) Billy has shown no signs of remorse

    D) Billy hires a significant set of shysters to provide any possible (NOTE : not plausible) defense against the charges he is facing.

    E) Billy continues to live his life with a remarkable degree of normality considering his level of notoriety.

    I really think the American judicial system should start charing for all legal costs incurred in prosecuting such blatantly obvious cases.

  334. gid2get  September 16th

    I have no reason to consider you an honest persson. I only have your word you are honest and you are so ready to judge others and presume to KNOW what they are feeling and thinking. Many people who cry out for justice are usually trying to hide something in their past or present. Not all, but a good many of them. You could be one of them…..please note, I said you COULD be. There are people who cry out for justice when a drunk driver kills someone, but yet they also drink and drive……they just haven’t been unfortunate enough to kill anyone…yet. There are those who cry out for justice for the person who beats his wife or children to death, yet they do the same thing (and their excuse is….she made me mad or I was drunk and didn’t know what I was doing), doesn’t make it any less of an injustice. And then again there are those who just cry out because it gets them the attention they need and crave and they can justify their jealousy of persons who have had more than the person judging thinks they were entitled to have. The green eyed monster is far worse than most crimes as it enables incorrect judgements to be made and assassinates characters…..both of the person being judged and the person doing the judging. By your accusations and intolerance, YOU have assassinated your own character because you claim to live by your bible, yet you practice very little of the teachings in there. You practice only what is CONVENIENT to you and your way of living and thinking. Why can you not wait until AFTER Billy has been tried, ALL evidence presented (possibly some that has been held back from the news reporters), and judgement is handed down? Are you so willing to hang someone without a fair trial as our constitution gives each of us? Vigilante justice does no one any good and comes from the same type of people now running our government……they feel they don’t have to obey laws set forth by our constition and lawmakers, but can make their own laws. Perhaps you are just like our president….above answering to anyone but yourself. Perhaps you just want Billy to plead quilty so that he has no chance of explaining HIS side of the accident in court. When you plead guilty, you get no chance to explain what happened or even to say to the family of the victim that you is sorry. By pleading not guilty, Billy can give his side of the story and then when found guilty, he is given his chance to tell the victim’s family he is sorry or anything else that he wants to say to them in FRONT OF THE ENTIRE COURT ROOM AND REPORTERS! Now, why do you not just wait until AFTER the trial to make your judgements if you must. Besides, if Billy doesn’t repent then, you will be able to gloat and you are the type of person who will always say I told you so.

  335. Silver  September 17th

    A fair trial ? For millionaires like Lane ? Fair would have included being locked up from day one.

  336. gid2get  September 17th

    Again with the jealousy because you think someone with more than you will get something you can’t. Jealousy is a terrible thing. He is given the right to a fair trial by the laws of our land and if you can’t deal with that, find another country to live in. Just think for a minute, put the jealousy aside and really think; even if Billy escapes our laws, will he really escape your god’s laws and punishments? But that isn’t enough for you, right? Your god’s laws and punishments just aren’t enough IF Billy should not get the sentence YOU believe he should. YOU and your jealousy must have more.

  337. Silver  September 17th

    And again with more personal attacks. And again, and as stated previously, I’m very far from jealous of Billy Lane or any other looser that has so little in his own life that they need to fill it up with drinking, womanizing and in general leading an extremely reckless and shsallow life. So what’s so fair about a legal system that can be bought ? We’re talking law here, not justice. The two are almost mutually exclusive these days and diverge in direct proportion to the net worth of the accused. A list of examples and details would probably fill an encyclopedia !

  338. gid2get  September 18th

    Why is it okay for you to make personal attacks on people, but not okay for a personal attack to be made on you? One-sided thinking on your part…..”Oh, I am so good I am above anyone’s reproach.” You aren’t jealous? Hard to believe when you have to call others who have more than you losers. Well as I stated before, you don’t know what you would do if you were suddenly thrust into fame and fortune. You can only state what you would hope you would do. But you won’t have to worry about finding out, I am sure. You begrudge and berate other talent and perhaps that is because yours is only mediocre and wouldn’t get you that kind of notoriety. And as for being a loser, how about Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Faye, Jesse Jackson and the priests of the Catholic faith who have done horrible things to little boys and girls? Those people are to be admired because they hide behind the mask of religion? PLEASE!! And if you don’t like the laws, CHANGE THEM through your voting powers and stop blaming everyone and everything else!!! You are a whiner.

  339. gid2get  September 18th

    And Silver, where is the justice when the church transfers priests, preachers, and others of the church to parishes or other states so they can continue to practice their debacheries? Where is the justice then? Oh, but that is different because these people are men/women of the cloth, right?

  340. Silver  September 18th

    gid2get – “Why is it okay for you to make personal attacks on people, but not okay for a personal attack to be made on you?”

    I attacked you ? Nope. I stated facts and my opinions of the person this blog is about. I commented on his actions both before and after the murder of Gerald Morelock. I am entitled to express my opinion on the subject just as you are entitled to ignore it.

    On the other hand you have consistently attacked me personally with opinion, conjecture and innuendo. And note that all of this is based on your life experiences which obviously are vastly different mine and I daresay the majority of the public citizenry.

    gid2get – “Hard to believe when you have to call others who have more than you losers.”

    Because you are only looking at the monetary issue. Do you really don’t think that Billy has more than I do ? If so then you are far shallower than I thought. There’s a whole lot more to life than money and Billy has missed the boat. I have a wonderful wife, two incredible children and respect of my community and colleagues. What does Billy have ? A name that had previously been laughed at by 2/3rds of the motorcycling community and which now is associated with the murder of a fellow motorcyclist who probably rode more than Billy did. Yeah he’s such a valuable asset to humanity that he can’t even attract a decent mate ! With any luck he’ll get 15 years in the pen and will be 52 and too old to reproduce when he’s dumped back into the gene pool.

    gid2get – “Well as I stated before, you don’t know what you would do if you were suddenly thrust into fame and fortune.”

    I don’t ? I think we differ but I’m willing to try it out ;>)

    gid2get – “You begrudge and berate other talent and perhaps that is because yours is only mediocre and wouldn’t get you that kind of notoriety.”

    Another baseless assumption with yet another smarmy undertone. Can you try real hard to stay on-topic and stop the personal attacks ?

    gid2get – “And as for being a loser, how about Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Faye, Jesse Jackson and the priests of the Catholic faith who have done horrible things to little boys and girls?”

    If guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, they should hang. You asked so please don’t even think of giving me flack about my opinions on caplital punishment. YOu cite issues with the Catholic church and I certainly am not going to disagree. They are a fine examples of exactly what happens when some people are given power and money in a legal system that can be bought just as I stated earlier. Given enough money and/or power, anyone can get away with anything unless they have managed to tick off the public as a whole. Even then good acting by so-called defense attourneys often manage to acquire a “reasonable doubt” with BS like ‘If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit’.

    As to the laws, yes, I am working to change them as well as helping to provide information to the general citizenry to make sure they’re aware of issues that some might prefer they were ignorant of. As I stated earlier I contribute to our local community and this includes city, county, state and federal issues that impact our community.

  341. gid2get  September 18th

    Go back and really read some of your statements; you have made personal attacks on people you thought beneath you (miners for one)as well as Billy and those you think have too much (hence my thinking that you do not realize you possess the greeneyed monster in your soul). And of course, you mentioned that those who were catholic and did wrong should be punished but nothing so grand that you would do anything to change laws that put them in prison rather than changing parishes. There are as many evil doers in your Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Mormon and other religions. But you would rather rant and rave on the injustices of the justices system for people such as O.J., Billy Lane and others of notoriety. As I stated before (and as you should be aware sense you say you know so much about the laws and are trying to change them) as long as Billy claims not guilty, he still has a chance to make any statements to the Morelock family after his sentencing.

    And think about what you are providing to the citizenery…….is it the laws YOU want enforced by YOUR definitions, or would they be laws that pertain to EVERYONE, even your son or daughter, wife or even yourself should you or they break the law?! And what makes you think YOUR interpretations or ideas of laws are correct and just for everyone? It is your opinion and on the blood of those who died to preserve it, it is your right to believe in such a manner. And it is my right to stand by a friend whether you like him or not or whether I agree with what he is doing or not. I am not someone who thinks that my friends should be perfect, I am not so why should they be? I believe we all make mistakes and must atone for them in one way or another by man’s laws or by whatever powers created this world and maybe even answer to both.

    Okay, you take my attack on your thinking as personal, so be it. But YOU are the one who says he lives by his bible and then makes every excuse in the book as to why some teachings mean this and pertain to that. If you don’t judge others by one standard, you don’t judge them at all. And you sir, I believe, were not left in charge to judge mankind or any wrong doings unless you are on the jury and THEN it is your job. You don’t like Billy so you defame his ability as a bike builder because it isn’t to your liking. Well, he made a lot of money building those bikes. Yes, he made mistakes on some of them; but I will tell you one thing for certain, a man who makes no mistakes, does nothing at all. Meaning? We ALL make mistakes and we all deserve the right to be heard and judged fairly; but in a court of law and not in the newspapers.

    In spite of what you think of Billy, he has helped our soldiers and others who were in need. You do the same, but because by your standards you haven’t made a serious mistake, your deeds mean more than those of Billy. Well sir, they don’t.

    You continue to be judgemental and defaming, it seems to be your style. I am sorry if you take my attacks on your ideas as on your personally, but I believe EVERYONE should be given a fair trial, shown tolerance, and if friends wish to stand behind them, that is their right to do so. O.J. was guilty as sin, but I am sure his parents and family and friends still care for him. That he continues to do wrong is no reflection on them. We don’t know that they haven’t tried to get him to see what he has done and to change his ways. But they DON’T give up on him. What would happen if your god gives up on you when you make a mistake? Do you expect his forgiveness so that you might correct your wrong and try doing right for a chance at the heavenly home? Give Billy a chance and stop trying to tell everyone what is going on in his mind…..YOU DON’T KNOW!! You think he should hang, okay that is your opinion. But to defame his ability as a builder is to say that all of those who buy his bikes are stupid and have no taste. Well, I can just bet if someone came along and gave you a show based on your abilities, and you sold your products even though someone else thought them shoddy and laughable, you’d still take the money and run with it. You might even sue them for defamation. And notice, I never at any time said you WOULD, I said you might. So stop taking things personally.

  342. Silver  September 18th

    A) You don’t attack my thoughts, you attack me personally.

    B) You can poke at the churches all you like but even you can’t deny that they’re generally good in nature. Of course they are just as fllawed as humantiy is as they are simply a subset of humanity.

    C) I didn’t exactly state that I live by the word of the Bible. I stated that I follow many of the teachings and the 10 Commandments in the Bible.

    D) Regarding how Billy has helped soldiers in Iraq and others in need, he could model himself after Mother Theresa and it would make no difference as to his guilt. And no, I don’t “think he should hang” and never stated that. That was in reference to trully evil people who betray the trusts they are given.

    D) Billy didn’t just make a mistake. He made a series of choices that virtually mandated a catastrophic ending.

    E) And now, please show me exactly where I committed defamation !!!!! I know the definition very, very well and I am quite certain that I never stated anything as fact that was not verifiable.

  343. gid2get  September 18th

    Okay, so you don’t outright defame Billy, but you do say that people who buy his bikes are stupid and his bikes are trash (and it is your opinion). Why you even made the statement that blackbelts beyond 2nd degree were political. You still want to come out and give my 9th degree blackbelt a tryout? He’s waiting and even though he is 71, I doubt very much you could take him. I am wrong, you don’t outright defame, but you sure put down anyone who doesn’t agree with you or can prove they know more about something (such as the martial arts) than you do. And you wonder why I have the attitude and think you are a pompas, self-righteous, bible thumping a**hole. You use what you need from the bible to make you sound good. Get a life and learn that the way to happiness is in being satisfied with what you have and not trying to get more or judge others. Let the judgine up to those higher than you and don’t condemn people for who their friends are. The birdman of alcatraz was a murder, but he ended up contributing to society. We never know where knowledge or help will come from, but if we are open, we can sometimes see the good that comes from bad.

    Choices, we all make them and sometimes they are good ones and sometimes not. Sometimes good choices can lead to bad things. But we learn, I hope Billy learns from this and tries helping others. He is a good person and I personally think he will and has learned from this experience. If he hasn’t, I still won’t give up on him and will hope he will eventually see the light before he destroys himself and others. But I am not responsible for that, only Billy is. I am not responsible for the courts judgements they might hand down on him, but I will still stand by my friend. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes, so be it. I told you once that my brother’s brother-in-law was killed by his best friend because the best friend was drunk and it was the same type of accident. Jerry was on his motorcycle and Forrester was drunk and driving his 58 Chevy 120 miles per hour and passed 3 cars and hit Jerry head-on killing Jerry instantly. Must be something wrong with Jerry’s family and friends because they forgave Forrester and still remained friends with him. He served his time, begged their forgiveness and has never been the same since. But, he doesn’t drink and operate machinery of any kind and won’t get into a car with someone else who has been drinking and won’t allow them to drive either. Sometimes it takes a tragic accident to wake us up. I am not saying that Billy is another Forrester, but I don’t know that he isn’t either. He deserves that chance. My opinion!

  344. Chloe  October 16th

    I see you guys are still at it. Good Lord you guys leave the man alone and stay out of his busness.

  345. Chloe  October 17th

    Silver you have called people trailer trash nigger etc and you say people attack you personally are you out of your mind? Get a life of your own and stay out of others. Sick Nut!

  346. Silver  October 17th

    Hmmmm, me thinks we have a troll. Or perhaps someone lost their meds ?

    I see that Billy has a new date for his next docket sounding. That is set fot Tuesday November 6th.

  347. gid2get  October 17th

    And I am sure you will keep us informed, Silver. As for people losing their meds…….well, I think you’ve just been quiet too long and someone likes stirring up trouble and of course, you answered the call. Just can’t seem to turn the other cheek and let a useless remark pass by can you? As for me, I would like to be informed of what happens to Billy, so I welcome your input as to the trial dates and such. Thank you. Have a nice day :)

  348. Chloe  October 18th

    Silver start reading from the very begining and see all the things you have said some hurtful some stupied no I don’t need meds. I don’t need you to keep me informed on Billy. Write him he will tell you if he feels you are worth his time. He writes me and I enjoy his nice e-mails. Have a great day. Must go back out its biketoberfest I like watching all the folks having fun. C-ya

  349. Silver  October 18th

    So it really is you. How sad. I had hoped it was a troll.

    So do you frequently accuse people of doing things they haven’t done ? Specifically “called people trailer trash nigger etc” ? Yes, I take great offense at such spurious accusations and want all to note that they are completely without base or merit. Further I demand an apology though I’m very doubtful you will do so.

    gid2get – “Just can’t seem to turn the other cheek and let a useless remark pass by can you?”

    LOL ! Yep, I took the bait ! As to being quiet, well life’s thrown me a challenge of two lately. Finally had to lay down my bike which is the first moving accident I’ve had in 15+ years and the first on a bike ever. Fortunately I’ve found a YZF100RJ for a real bargain and will be picking that up in a week.

    We finally have some rain coming through ! I think we’ve only had 6 days with any significant rainfall since April 1st. I’m paying $8.50/bale which is nearly 3X what I was paying two years ago. So as EC sang, “Let It Rain” !!!

  350. Chloe  October 19th

    Yes silver you have my apology that was badboytroy who said that you are the one who called women with tattos tramp stamped and quite a few other references about Billy making a good Christmas gift for the men in jail and maybe it should be called trick or treat remember that? You owe apologys to all women around the world even the women who lost their breast to cancer and covered their chest with tats who where in their 70′s and 80′s and were very proud of their artwork. Yes we all need rain I pay 13.00 a bale in Fl. for T and A and my horses have not one blade of grass in their fields. Crappy coastal is running 7.50 Glad you are getting rain My farm is a sand pit have put thousands of dollars in it but without rain you get no grass. I am in a bad mood. I lost my best friend 8 weeks ago from kidney failure and watched him suffer for a long time. A very sweet man who loved the blues wasn’t happy about Billy but did’nt judge him. He left me his kitty and 93 Heritage Soft tail. He was much younger than me 44 yrs old. There are too many other things in the world to worry about than Billy and what justice will do for him. Look around whats happening in this world. Got to go and watch everyone on main street and call home and check on my critters. God Bless you and yours. Remember love is a lot better than hate.

  351. gid2get  October 19th

    At least you can laugh about jumping to the challenge. That is good. Sorry to hear about your accident and I hope no one was hurt. Glad to hear you will be riding again. Accidents happen even to those who try their best to be very careful and avoid them.

    RAIN???!!!! Where?! We are lucky if we get a full day of rain out here and if it rains two days in a row, look out because we might just need a boat! I think I have seen a total of 3 rainfalls since I have been here and we moved here in Sept. of 2005. When it rains, it is usually just what back east is called a misting or a sprinkle….but out here, it is rain! Downtown Vegas has had several rainfalls this summer and even flash flood warnings, but up here in the mountains, we get very little. Isn’t that strange? And in September about 72 miles west of here, it was flooded for about a 5 mile stretch. I was coming back from California and was 72 miles from Vegas when I hit the most awful wind and rain storm that nearly blew me off of the road. By the time I got to the Vegas line, you couldn’t even tell it had rained. A couple of days later I took my hubby out that way and he was amazed that there was still water standing and all of the Vegas valley was dry. So enjoy what you get when you get it. Perhaps Mother Nature is just angry about something and will, like most females, get over it and get back to normal.

    Have a great evening and enjoy your new ride (even though it may be used, it is new to you) and stay safe.

  352. purplerider  October 19th

    Sorry to here about your fall but as thay say there are those that had been down and those that will go down I trust that you did not get hurt to bad I wish a quick recoverey and get back out on the road asap.I do feel sorry for the lack of rain if i could send it your way id be glad to we got 3.9 in. on wend. a total of 6 in in about 4 days, Any way glad your safe and to all ride free.

    Rubber side down
    PURPLERIDER

  353. Silver  October 19th

    Thanks to all for the good wishes. I was extremely lucky in that I had a flat on the front tire which deflated very quickly. I had probably picked up some road garbage when I went through a construction zone about 10 miles back. Fortunately there wasn’t anyone in the left lane and I was able to steer the bike over and nearly off the road before we went down. Some rash and my backside was bruised to the bone but I didn’t even scratch my helmet or dent the tank on the bike. Still, I think she’s totaled as the fairing (upper and right lower) along with the right rear and tailpiece are all damage beyond repair. Windshield and mirror are damaged. Both front and rear master cylinders are popped and brake lever is bent into a U-shape. The front wheel may be trashed and the forks are also suspect. Quite a mess. In the end I’m just grateful that nobody else was hurt and I can honestly say I did the best I could to handle the situation to the best of my abilities.

    Regarding the rain, it looks like the dry season is finally over !! We have more rain coming in on Monday and Tuesday. Unfortunately it’s going to take a solid year before we recover from this drought. Last I looked we were about 25″ short for the year. And my neighbor is daft enough to be burning trash in his backyard !

    Chloe – Sorry to hear of your friends passing. I’m sure you provided him with much happiness even while the kidney failure was ravaging him.

    Regarding my comments on Billy, well maybe they were a little too”off the cuff” so to speak. Still, I see bikers hit by drunk drivers so often that it’s simply mind boggling. Much of the populace here in Tennessee drink to excess and drive. I don’t know what it takes to get across to people just how insane this really is. Perhaps Billy will help out once his trial is over.

  354. gid2get  October 19th

    Glad to hear you weren’t hurt, Silver. I think drunk drivers will never be stopped because those who drink and drive seem to think their abilities aren’t limited. Besides, it only happens to someone else, right? It isn’t just the drinking and driving….it is the drinking to excess. After all, as the ads say, “real men should drink real beer” and act like real men. Bullcrap! Real men should know when to act like real men and stop BEFORE they have too much and even when having just a little, they should be real men enough to admit they shouldn’t be on the road. But hey, that isn’t macho! No wonder our youth behave as they do……..they watch their parents. I might have a drink now and then, but I don’t drive if I have and I don’t have to drink to excess to have fun. So, I don’t condemn those who drink. I would just ask them to think before they drive after drinking or before they let someone else drive who has been drinking. Television and computers have ruined us. We sit and watch sports instead of gathering friends and having friendly games ourselves (hard to hold that beer while swinging a bat or hiking a football with the gang or your kids). As well as it being healthier for us because we would be getting the exercise we don’t while watching TV from the couch. In my opinion (and it is mine only) we have become lazy and easily bored but don’t do anything about it other than “drinking with the guys/girls” to “relax” us and take off the stress. 20 and 30 years ago we didn’t have “stress” because we actually did things with our kids, had family reunions and while at them we played volleyball, football, baseball, etc. We, as a society, need to change and maybe take a lesson from earlier days and really become part of our surroundings and sports rather than just as a spectator.

    Sorry for the preaching and I hope everyone has a great and safe weekend.

  355. Chloe  October 20th

    Silver I don’t believe anyone should drink and drive. I have seen first hand here at biketoberfest all the nuts drinking and driving. Sorry about your accident I forgot to say that last time. Billy is a good person that has made a hugh mistake as well as so many others I think he will serve time but who knows? I have seen so many people die from drinking I used to drink but after one bike week a few yrs, back I decided I did’nt need to drink to have fun. You feel like crap the next morning and thinking about seeing people dead on the road fixed that. I have had a bad month for losing friends I lost Hughie Thomasson from The Outlaws Band who was a friend from a heart attack that was probuly caused from his drinking and drug abuse. He sang like a angel road hard and did so many benafits here in Fl. for people he did’nt know. He played for Crystal River Harley all the time for good causes. We do have lots of rivers here with lots of water today they said 50percent rain we got a few drops not enough to wet the dirt. You have taken words I have said wrong I don’t believe in anyone drinking even my friend Billy. I just hate all the bashing on him there are so many out there doing it bash all that drink and drive. I seen a dead firefighter in the road with his wife just left the cabbage patch drunk and hit a on coming biker with his lady she lost her legs. I park our bikes at bikeweek and biketoberfest and walk because of the drinking this will be my last year here these people are crazy and think all that matters is how drunk they get. Lets just say I am ready to talk about the good things in life forget what the fools are doing. Try to make laws tougher. Hughie sang a song many years ago if I could wake you and bring you home again I would. Thats how I feel about all people. My grandmother used to tell us if you can’t find anything good to say about people then don’t say nothing at all. I did’nt listen to her when I jumped at leaving blogs on this page and am sorry about that I lost her last Nov. Bless all and ride safe watch out for the other guy who knows what he or she may be on. Chloe

  356. High Ri$k  October 30th

    But by the grace of GOD go we. Billy certainly had a momentary lapse of reason, but did once or twice before as well. If he takes responsibility for his actions and fesses up, the that will restore my faith in him. We all do stupid things, others more stupid than the next, but I guess that doesn’t excuse us, it just makes us human. Condolances to the family of the deceased, and GOD’s forgiveness for Billy.

  357. Chloe  October 31st

    Well said amen.

  358. Fathead  October 31st

    WELL then , If Billy lane was just another biker from the world we normal people live in , I think the news report would read something like this . A local Biker from Florida killed a local biker from Florida , Drinking was a factor. It realy does not matter that it was billy lane or any other celeb motor head , It happens everyday .

    It just happens that Billy lane is a celeb and he is well known and he is at the top of his career . SO what he fucked up , I mean I feel bad that some guy got killed and all , But fuck , every body makes mistakes , I feel that he should go in front of a judge and plead guilty , if he is , He is , the piper is gonna start a checking account in the name of billy lane , thats all I got to say about that .

  359. gid2get  October 31st

    Does anyone realize that the way our lawmakers write and interpret laws, if one pleads guilty, he has few chances of presenting a full case to the courts and he gets a longer term than if he pleads not guilty and then is found guilty? Twisted, huh?

  360. Chloe  November 3rd

    Yes gid2get our laws are twisted. The creep who kidnapped raped and buried the 9yr old little girl Jessica Lundsford was found guilty and sentenced to die has got his appeals going and isn’t dead yet here in our little town we want him left on the side of the road and let everyone involved in looking for her would like to have at him. He’s in jail living a better life inside then what he lived in outside of jail. He was a meth head and her daddy is a biker who is changing laws all over the U.S. Type in her name and read about the new laws and the creep who took her. Its so sad to think of her 2 little fingers sticking out of the trash bags he buried her in right under the sheriffs nose less than 50 ft. from the command center they had set up. His 2 sisters and friend knew what he was doing with that child and walked because there is no laws to put their sorry asses in jail. They have moved on because this little town wanted them bad. Rain? They say its going to rain everyday I don’t know whats up with their radar but we haven’t gotten any. I spent 200.00 for 10 bales of hay for them not to mention their grain. Husband took my bike out for a ride and got a ticket yesterday and I caught him today signing up for the safty school. He got a good boot 3 times from me for speeding. I am older than him and have never got a ticket. He’s not allowed on my bike no more he can just ride his. Now insurance will go up. Men what can you do with them or without them. I have been reading his rights all evening hes real lucky the biker bitch did’nt come out. Ride safe everyone and do the speed limit at least in Citrus Co. Fl. The law is watching for the bikers bad. Be safe and God bless all. Chloe

  361. AA Rider  November 3rd

    I’m not a Billy Lane fan. I’m also not someone who is jealous of his success. If he is guilty, let him face the music. I am amazed at some of the comments here. Many of the “Billy Lane Haters” sound as if they hated him before this terrible wreck happened. They hate him for his hair or his looks, or just because they have to hate someone. I don’t know the man but whether or not he’s found guilty of manslaughter, I imagine that he is guilt-ridden. The thing is ” He can’t change what he did”.
    Drinking and driving is a major problem in America. So is Getting high and driving.I’ve known alot of dopers who sat in judgement of drunks because they werent tested for drugs.Most people just think that theyr’e just social users, whether it’s alcohol or drugs…And it’s always the other guy who has the problem. Denial runs deep in this country.
    The dead don’t come back. I am not Billy’s judge. He may do alot of time. He might not. Either way, he’s gotta live with it. Just because he’s been on TV doesn’t mean that he is some kind of monster without a conscience. The courts only determine their decision and sentence.If, in his own mind he is responsible, I hope he tries to get help and help others not to do what he did.
    I’m not a Bible Thumper, but I have a strong belief in God. I believe that once we have a releationship with our Maker,the best thing that we can do is to help others. Spewing hate never made anything get better.

  362. gid2get  November 3rd

    Very well said, AA. I mean no disrespect to those who believe in God, but I find it hard to accept those who say they are very close to their God and live their lives according to his word but are too ready to condemn others because they “fall” now and then. I have tried to point out that no matter what Billy pleads, we don’t really know what is going on in his mind and heart and that, as you say, he will live with this the rest of his life. Pleading not guilty, even when you know you are, gives you more ways of working with your sentence and how you can serve the public and make restitutions for your deed than pleading guilty does. Just because Billy pleads not guilty doesn’t mean that is what he really feels. Our twisted laws make it impossible for a person to be honest and still get a fair sentencing. And yes, DENIAL is a very big problem in this country.

  363. Silver  November 3rd

    gid2get – “And yes, DENIAL is a very big problem in this country.”

    I can’t deny that !

    AA Rider – “Many of the “Billy Lane Haters” sound as if they hated him before this terrible wreck happened.”

    I have to admit that I fall in this category. The word “hate” is a little strong however I have little if any respect for the type of biker and person he is. In my opinion there are far too many “Billy Lane” wannabes in this world. Billy himself is personally responsible for promoting the opinion that it’s OK to be a drunken, womanizing biker. In short he may have only killed one person directly but there is no telling the number of people that have emulated him and in so doing endangered or harmed others.

    As to your statement that “The dead don’t come back.”, one could hope that justice never dies. When Billy Lane is found guilty, he should be punished appropriately. The old “eye for an eye” adage comes to mind however having seen several examples of the travesty that is the Florida judicial system I doubt he’ll do little more than community service for killing Gerald Morelock.

  364. gid2get  November 4th

    Ah, so we can blame Billy for EVERY drunk driver now, huh? Not so, I wonder WHO Billy emulated. We all make our own choices and Billy made his no matter how wrong it turned out to be, but I bet you he doesn’t blame others who drink and drive and DON’T get caught asking why him and not them. He will take his punishment and he has my support and my positive energies go out to him hoping he gets the help he needs for his problem whether it be drinking or simply thinking he is infallable as so many of us do. I can see good coming out of bad and that is very important. I am not asking you to like Billy or to even care what happens to him as Billy the Bike Builder; all I ask is that you look at him as a man who made a terrible mistake and hope that good can somehow come of it. Treat him as you would any other human being that you didn’t know or had never heard of and help us to put into force laws that will make sure that drunk drivers get the help they need and are kept off of the road after a FIRST drunk driving offense. A breathalizer can be put on their vehicle at their cost for however long the offense calls for. This could be six months or more for a first time offender. What this means is that they can’t drive if they have alcohol on their breath. No one else can breathe into it and start if for them because 10 seconds after the vehicle is in motion, the driver must breathe into the apparatus again in order to keep the engine running. We all know that if they are allowed to drive to and from work, they soon start pushing their luck and driving other than to and from work. The breathalizer could go on the left side of the steering wheel so that it would be impossible for someone to bend over and blow into it for them. Only one solution that MIGHT help the problem. Let’s help the people who have a problem with driving while drinking and think of ways to keep them off of the road while they have alcohol on their breath rather than condemning them. Condemning doesn’t keep them from driving while intoxicated.

  365. Silver  November 4th

    “Ah, so we can blame Billy for EVERY drunk driver now, huh?”

    You have a penchant for taking things out of context. I said “In short he may have only killed one person directly but there is no telling the number of people that have emulated him and in so doing endangered or harmed others.” and I stand by that statement the same as I see kids (of all ages) emulating nearly every violent personality that Hollywood markets. From Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to Bruce Lee to the likes of Billy Lane, those without a life try to adopt one.

  366. gid2get  November 4th

    One could say the same for those who feel short changed but won’t admit it and are jealous of those who have made a name for themselves. As far as emulating Billy and harming others, how about those who emulate being Christians and do harm with their name-calling and hatred? None of us are perfect and we all do things we shouldn’t and have our children and others follow suit because they look up to us. We ALL fall short of being perfect.

  367. Silver  November 4th

    “As far as emulating Billy and harming others, how about those who emulate being Christians and do harm with their name-calling and hatred ?”

    I completely agree that these are serious issues and ones that I have to contend with even within my own family. Unfortunately prejudice is still found in many of the early Boomers here in the South.

    Still, there is little comparison between someone that spews hatred and ignorance and someone that is a flag-waving example of complete irresponsibility on a far grander scale.

    As to “we all do things we shouldn’t and have our children and others follow suit because they look up to us.”, well this is exactly why I’m extremely careful in how my children are raised. They’re learning what a responsible life does and doesn’t include and how responsibilities are reciprocated. This entails a lot of explaining on why they world sensationalizes people like Billy Lane, O.J. Simpson and other criminals.

  368. gid2get  November 4th

    I am sure there are parents out there who reared their children by the Bible, taught them right from wrong and drummed into them responsibility and a very good sense of right and wrong and are astonished at why their children stole from others and even murder ( Rev. Jim Jones or Jimmy and Tammy Faye, or how about Jimmy Swaggart, or the priests who molest little boys?). We can demand and preach too much and sometimes drive our loved ones away. Sometimes they may even begin to feel that “I can’t do anything right” or “I can never have any fun” or “my parents won’t allow me to be friends with you because you don’t go to church, or you smoke, or you have a tattoo” and after awhile they secretly begin to plan to move as far from us as they can or they become very hateful, condemning, self-righteous human beings themselves. We reap what we sow….and sowing seeds of hate, condemnation, self-righteousness, etc. can make for a very bad crop somewhere down the line. You have no right to judge Billy as a person becaue you only (by your own admission) know him from TV, newspapers, etc. What kind of a church do you attend that does not preach forgiveness because the Bible says that if you don’t forgive, YOU won’t be foregiven. And as I said once before, you don’t even practice what your bible teaches.

  369. Silver  November 4th

    A) It’s not “my” Bible.
    B) I lead a life based on the principles of the Bible and not solely on the specific written words.
    C) While there are examples of extreme hypocrisy in some church leaders, this only reflects on the same problems in society as a whole and to a lesser extent when the entire sets are compared I might add.
    D) As to judging Billy, I have the same rights, as do all people, to an opinion based on the evidence available to the public at large. I have the same right to review and reject those that I find objectionable and I have the right to state why I find them so as long as it is not done with malice. As stated earlier, I don’t actually hate Billy but rather abhor what he has done, what he does, what he embodies and how his pathetic lifestyle has reflected on all bikers. To that end his incarceration, should it actually happen, will be one of those rare instances where a “success story” was met with the justice it so richly deserves. Unfortunately Gerald Morelock had to pay the ultimate price to bring an end to Billy’s adolescence.

  370. gid2get  November 4th

    I hate to inform you of this, but bikers got a bad rep along time before Billy was even a twinkle in his father’s eye. Remember the Hell’s Angels, Outlaws, Iron Horsemen to name just a few? There will always be someone who, in someone else’s opinion, gives something a bad name. Yes, it is your right to have your opinion of him and it is your right to think you are correct in all you think, believe, and teach your kids just as it is your right to condemn Billy for something you think he should not be forgiven for doing. Were you able to forgive him, I would think much more of you. And yes, I did call it your Bible because it is you who uses it to condemn others when you see fit. Those laws of YOUR bible only apply to others though, and not to you because you work so hard to be righteous and never do wrong and that puts you above those of us you see as sinners.

    Well, have a good evening. I must go now and email Billy good wishes for his trial and to let him know that I will be thinking of him and praying to the powers that be to help him in his time of trouble and to also ease his heart by letting him know that his friend will not desert him.

  371. Silver  November 4th

    By the way, I forgot to address your point on the pedophiles running the Catholic church. In my opinion _requiring_ a man to be celibate because he has devoted his life to serving Christ is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard of. The only reason this was ever enacted was to prevent priests from leaving article of value to their heirs.

  372. gid2get  November 4th

    But that is what religion is all about….MONEY…GREED! Pay to the church it’s due and it doesn’t matter if your family starves or can’t pay their bills; you aren’t a good and faithful Christian if you don’t give your 10% to the church and that includes each family member who receives money or payment for something, the church gets 10%. So a child who receives an allowance must take 10% of that and give to the church or he, too, is a sinner and broken the laws of the church. Even Sister Theresa didn’t believe in God or the Catholic church, but she knew it was a way to go to those who needed her and to help. After all, the Catholic church has more money & other wealth than most nations. And all they do is confuse, lie, and take from their followers.

  373. Silver  November 4th

    “I hate to inform you of this, but bikers got a bad rep along time before Billy was even a twinkle in his father’s eye.”

    I might not be in the over-50 club yet but I well remember Easy Rider, Evel Knievel (more a clown than a hood) and other such silliness of the 60′s and 70′s. Even Fonzy was initially a hood in the sitcom Happy Days. Of course that opinion was based in the post-WWII fiascos like the Hollister rally in ’47 which undoubtedly spurred movies like Rebel Without a Cause and The Wild One.

    As to the “laws” of the Bible. There are 10.

  374. Silver  November 4th

    “But that is what religion is all about….MONEY…GREED! Pay to the church it’s due and it doesn’t matter if your family starves or can’t pay their bills; you aren’t a good and faithful Christian if you don’t give your 10% to the church and that includes each family member who receives money or payment for something, the church gets 10%.”

    Must be one of those wonderful forgiving churches that you seem to think I don’t attend. In our church your family comes first and the church is second. It’s nigh impossible to build an enduring church around a poor and ignorant people.

  375. gid2get  November 4th

    You’re quoting movies. But there are plenty of newspaper stories and court records to show what bikers were all about in the 50s, 60s and 70s. A lot of them were not very nice people. Evel, Fonz and Easy Rider were attempts to make the world take on another view of the “biker” and romantacized it. Nothing romantic about stealing another guys bike and leaving him dead or bleeding and beating up people with chains and causing havoc. As you said, you aren’t old enough to remember.

  376. Silver  November 4th

    Newspapers have a limited reach. Movies glorified the behavior of both the characters and often the actors. I don’t think there is much doubt that a movie like Easy Rider had much further reach than a court document or a new article.

    Note that I did indirectly work with one of the Warlocks at one point. He was a carpenter. He was also a little nuts.

  377. gid2get  November 5th

    Must have really been backwoods where you grew up. I was a small child in a very small country town and TVs weren’t all that popular and even I had heard of the Hell’s Angels and their escapades. You worked with someone who was beneath you in values and morals? I am shocked!!! Sorry, little sarcasm there.

  378. Silver  November 5th

    “You worked with someone who was beneath you in values and morals? I am shocked!!! Sorry, little sarcasm there.”

    Let’s just say that we were contracted by the same company. He lost it one day after someone put a bullet hole in his Hardley’s tank. Started tearing the place apart in his little fit of rage. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed and he left the job quietly and permanently.

  379. gid2get  November 5th

    Oh yeah, and the guy who put the bullet in his tank should be applauded I am sure, to your way of thinking. Perhaps you are lucky he didn’t take revenge as many people of God seemed to have done because they didn’t agree with his way of life. How easy it is to condemn others because they don’t act or behave the way those who supossedly believe in the Bible do. That bible is just so handy for use against others, but every excuse in the world can be made when a Christian doesn’t follow it. You seem by your tone to be very glad about what happened to him and seem to praise the one who damaged another person’s property. What if it had been YOUR property that was damaged?

  380. Silver  November 5th

    “You seem by your tone to be very glad about what happened to him and seem to praise the one who damaged another person’s property. What if it had been YOUR property that was damaged?”

    Actually I’m just glad that he didn’t hurt anyone. There were numerous people working on that project and he was swinging a claw hammer around like a complete twit. As to the damage, that’s what the project manager gets for hiring people like that. Sorry if that offends you but then as somneone who has run a business of my own as well as for major corporations, I am very selective about who I hire.

  381. purplerider  November 5th

    I have just one comment this time i rew up in the south bronx I haved lived all over the city I now live elswhere but i would fear walking in parts of NY NY then walking up to or hanging out with the H.A. the outlaws and more so the iron horsemen as a matter of fact i hang with the horse men on a daily basis and i know if i needed anything thay would be there and i have to say the same for billy I got to know him very well and i know that this choice that he made is killling him beleve me and as i said the choice HE made.So please dont dog someone that you never even met or spoke to. Thanks for hearing me.

  382. gid2get  November 6th

    It is so nice that you hire only those you think worthy whether someone might need the job and someone who would take the time to just be friendly and accept them as a person instead of instantly considering him an asshole. That person may have had a rough time all of his life with no one ever treating him as though he were a human being, he may have been beaten by his parents or maybe only had one parent who was working and wasn’t at home to teach him principles and values, he may have been left to his own resources and fell in with the wrong crowd. You are too ready to condemn rather than to find a cause or try being a friend because someone doesn’t fit into your tight little Christian mold. Try walking in someone else’s shoes one time and see how easy your life would be. But first it would take understanding, patience, compassion, tolerance and a willingness to reach out to “lost souls”, but then again your bible or god doesn’t teach that, I guess.

  383. gid2get  November 6th

    Very well said, purplerider. I too have had the privilege to meet the Hell’s Angels. My first husband and I had a flat tire with our truck that had a big camper on it and my oldest was only 3 yrs. old at the time. They REFUSED to let us change the tire and after they had us repaired, they invited us to the beach to share in their cookout. Just as in any circumstance, there are those who give anyone a bad name whether it be a race, religion, club, or whatever. Perhaps treating all people as brothers in the human race would go a long way in creating peace in the world

  384. Silver  November 6th

    “It is so nice that you hire only those you think worthy ….”

    That’s why it’s called a job and not “welfare”. While I’m providing gainful employment and an opportunity to grow with the business, I’m covering the expenses, putting in at least 50% more hours and handling the responsibilities to our clients.

    And not all of the HA’s are so peaceful. You can ask the Bowling Green police officer who was beaten senseless and brutalized in ways I don’t want to repeat. Of course they ARE a tight bunch. No doubt about that. Honor among thieves and all that.

    “Perhaps treating all people as brothers in the human race would go a long way in creating peace in the world”

    I’d like for you to go to China and hand a $10 bill to one of the beggars on the street and see what happens.

  385. gid2get  November 7th

    And as I said before, you hire only those who meet YOUR standards and there is no room for a mistake. You have them already labeled as being irresponisble, troublemakers and if they should misstep just one time, they are gone. Sometimes they need to see that just ONE person is willing to give a second chance (good thing Jesus wasn’t more like those of you who CLAIM to follow in his footsteps, huh? Remember the murders on the cross with him or Mary Magdelene?)and to feel as if they would be appreciated if given that second chance.

    And NO ONE said ALL the Hell’s Angels were good; I said there is good in some of them and when treated as equal HUMBAN beings, those who do have good in them respond likewise.

    Perhaps starting here in our own country would be the first step instead of worrying about China. But if I saw someone begging for food, I would give what help I could. And I believe I am smart enought to know when it is safe to help and when to wait and give help later. Man! You really do say a lot about what Christians are all about. Glad I am NOT one of you. I would rather do good where and when I can to whomever needs it and not worry about what kind of person they are.

  386. Silver  November 7th

    “And as I said before, you hire only those who meet YOUR standards and there is no room for a mistake. You have them already labeled as being irresponisble, troublemakers and if they should misstep just one time, they are gone.”

    I don’t label people. They do it themselves. They choose their lifestyle, not me. And I don’t hire anyone that fits that label right off the bat. It’s that simple. My clients aren’t paying me to make mistakes. Their time is valuable and I am not being paid to waste it. Also much of my work can’t be redone. We’re not talking factory work here.

    “I would rather do good where and when I can to whomever needs it and not worry about what kind of person they are.”

    Sounds pretty Christian to me ! ;>) Note that our church does many things for those less fortunate. From building more churches to repairing the homes of the senior citizens to taking care of the families children one night every three months so the parents can “have a date”. We have a “clothes closet” (think two car garage) full of clothing for the poor. We have Bible school for the children and we consistently get between 150~200 who aren’t even from our church. Our church ranks as one of the top churches in Tennessee for dollars donated per member which I think is going some given the condition of the local economy. We have members that visit the local jails every month and we have people who are making sure that the politicians in our area don’t forget our concerns.

    Speaking of our area, we have so little crime we don’t even have a full-time police officer !

    Yes, not too shabby for a small church with only 220 members in a town of 700 people. Not too shabby at all.

    Now climb down from that high-horse before you get a nose bleed.

  387. Silver  November 7th

    By the way, if you “go to China and hand a $10 bill to one of the beggars on the street and see what happens.” you’ll find that you will be mobbed by the itinerants.

  388. gid2get  November 7th

    I am not the one on the high horse. YOU are the ones with the high standards and think that only those you choose to work for you may. Your customers can’t afford mistakes…….well the man who NEVER does anything is the only one I can think of who doesn’t make mistakes. WE all make them and most people, even customers, understand things happen. Of course you aren’t talking factory, you are to high and mighty to be a lowly factory worker. Talk about high horses and ivory towers!! I couldn’t begin to afford the ones you own!

    And no, my helping others is not Christian; it is Budhism because HE is the one who said to treat others as you yourself would want to be treated….500 YEARS BEFORE CHRIST!!!

    I am very glad your LITTLE community is crime free. We need more like them. However, when you get thousands of people moving into areas without enough ways of making money, poverty sets in and then crime. When you have a government (and people who do nothing about their government) who allow illegals to come into our country and remain here, crime also happens because most of the illegals are those wanted for crimes in other countries. They aren’t just invading our west, they are invading the midwest, east coast, etc. So keep on hiding your head and thinking your church is keeping its people safe because of what it preaches. YOU come off of YOUR high horse and out of your ivory tower and into the real world.

    You judge people and label them more than anyone I have ever met and do it hiding behind your bible, church and preacher.

  389. Silver  November 7th

    “I am not the one on the high horse. ”

    Really ? Then stop criticizing my choice of religion and the way I prefer to live.

    “YOU come off of YOUR high horse and out of your ivory tower and into the real world.”

    I do get ” into the real world.” and that’s exactly why I live how and where I live.

    Note that the church doesn’t provide any level of safety. It is the people of the community that do this. Unfortunately many communities lack good stewardship.

    FYI, I have worked in factories. If you look at Tennessee’s economics you’ll find we still have a huge amount of durable and specialty goods production here. If you have an medical implant, chances are it was made right here. And we also have our share of illegal aliens. Get used to them. They aren’t leaving. There are many reasons for this but the primary problem is that Bush is too busy funding his pathetic “liberation” of Iraq to pay for the problems here at home. Bush is one of the chief reasons a Democrat might when in ’08.

  390. Silver  November 7th

    I see Billy’s defense isn’t pulling out any of the possibilities no matter how remote and implausible to get his butt out of the sling. Evidently they challenged the handling of the blood samples, Lane’s medical records from the hospital he was taken to after the accident and now they’re essentially stating that the police had no justification for having Lane tested for DUI. Yep, the best justice money can buy !

  391. Silver  November 7th

    Let’s do something creative. Let’s draft letter to be sent vial email to Ms.Bush and other politicians around the country to make BAC testing mandatory for all accidents involving a death or serious injury. I personally had thought this was already in place however it looks like either the states have omitted it or perhaps groups like the ACLU have blocked it.

  392. purplerider  November 7th

    The only thing i ever found in tennessee were bible thunmbers and best of all a small peice of rt 129 better known as the tail of the dragon

  393. Silver  November 7th

    I like the TOD. It’s a great way to “thin the heard”. How many died there this year ? A shame but posers always seem to love to challenge the dragon.

  394. gid2get  November 8th

    That is a good idea, but let’s also get rid of the ACLU, NAACP and other intials that hinder justice and those who try to make the laws work. They were needed at one time, but they have gotten full of themselves and think they are the ruling bodies now……just like a lot of organizations that have too many people who want to judge and demand of everyone else who isn’t part of their elite (in their eyes anyway) group. ANY an ALL organizations be it a church, a club, organization, etc.

  395. gid2get  November 8th

    Purplerider, maybe that is why there isn’t much in TN., no one really wants to live there and the ones who do keep the bad parts about it quiet! Our community is so good, we don’t have crime because we aren’t like everyone else,we’re so much better and more decent, yadda yadda yadda.

  396. gid2get  November 8th

    Yeah, we know, Silver, you have never done anything so reckless as breaking laws or speeding just a little. Again, a dangerous road to you is a “a great way to thin the herd” meaning that it gets rid of the people YOU deem unnecessary because they aren’t like you or may be just a little wreckless. God!! I bet the airlines are thankful for the recklessness of Earhardt, Lindburgh, Huhes, just to name a very,very few. And how about those idiots who race cars to test them for safety and reliability? Man! We should send them to TN so that Silver’s road can take care of them! And you speak of progress! YOu can only condone what suits you and your needs. You can only find those who fit your mold as responsibe humans. How narrow-minded and short-sighted you are.

  397. gid2get  November 8th

    I have a better idea than you BAC law, Silver. How about building EVERY vehicle (whether it be two wheel or four) with breathalizers on them and pass a law that within one year of it becoming law, EVERY vehicle in the US MUST have them installed. We pay to have such useless things as cup holders and CD players with 6 to 12 CD changers installed along with loud speakers, and other doodads that really aren’t necessary, why not put something on them that could save lives by keeping those who drink from starting their cars?!!!

  398. Silver  November 8th

    “Purplerider, maybe that is why there isn’t much in TN., no one really wants to live there …”

    I could only wish this were true but in fact due to the low cost of living, low unemployment rate, reasonably priced properties and so forth,the Nashville area is still growing like a teenager on steroids. People from all over the country are moving in and it’s getting mighty difficult to find a native Nashvillian.

    “you have never done anything so reckless as breaking laws or speeding just a little.”

    Hmmmm ran circle track and drags. Ride a crotch rocket. Yeah, I’ve bent the needle a few times. I just don’t do it while drinking like Billy Lane does and I don’t endanger others on the road like those riding the Dragon do.

    “Again, a dangerous road to you is a “a great way to thin the herd” meaning that it gets rid of the people YOU deem unnecessary because they aren’t like you or may be just a little wreckless.”

    “A little” ?? Most of these people are barely capable of tipping their rocking chairs much less manuevering a Hardly around the Dragon. How many will die or be paralyzed before people simply get a clue that bikes aren’t toys ? That you can’t get on one once a month and ride the T.o.D safely ?

    http://www.tailofthedragon.com/news_articles2007.html

  399. gid2get  November 8th

    Why is it that when it is YOU doing it, it is bending the needle and when someone else does it, they are reckless? And it isn’t just drunk drivers/riders who cause wrecks, injuries and take lives. ACCIDENTS happen, like a blow-out unexpectedly….remember? YOU were lucky no one was injured except for your pride, it could have been much worse and you could be where Billy is…just without the drunk-driving charge. Manslaughter is manslaughter whether drunk or not, you still took a life and reckless operation or speed is just as deadly without alcohol when the person feels he is righteous and it won’t happen to him because he doesn’t drink! BS!!!!

    And how do you know that purplerider doesn’t ride every day and hasn’t been doing it for 40, 50, 60 years? YOU don’t you just assume he isn’t as good or capable as you because he doesn’t condemn!

    As far as native Nashvillian, my mother, grandmother & father, great grandmother & great grandfather were born in and around Nashville….ever hear of the Maxwells? So don’t give me that bunk about being native. You don’t have to be native to enjoy living in a particular area to enjoy and love it. That’s just narrowminded prejudice.

  400. gid2get  November 8th

    Oh yes, Silver. As for your tail of the dragon road; ever hear of Deadman’s Curve in CA. (they also have one in KY), or the Devil’s backbone in Ohio? No, probably not, but they do exist and are just as treacherous as any other road that has taken lives because someone pushed the limit. Go to Cincinnati, Ohio and try your luck when it is -13 and 3 inches of ice on the road. It is hard to navigate under such conditions but there are those who try to push the limit anyway even if they aren’t drunk. So stop blaming alcohol. It is MAN’s (yes, MEN) who have to prove they have balls and try such risky avenues to prove they are men or to impress others. So if you have, as you like to call it, “pushed the needle a few times”, you are as guilty as everyone else who thinks they can do so and get away without harm to themselves or anyone else. One day, it catches up to you.

  401. Silver  November 8th

    As to the issue of safety and accidents, yes, accidents do happen but being prepared at all times and not deliberately endangering those around you will go pretty far to minimize the possibility of someone being severely hurt or killed. Just simply dressing properly, maintaining your bike, being alert and practicing good driving habits are all that’s really needed for the vast majority of rides. Do I “bend the needle” ? You bet. But when I do it’s on a road with little or no traffic, good visibility and virtually no chance of having an accident. The converse is the bunch of Hardley riding oldsters who might manage their yearly snowbird commute between Phoenix and Destin but should undoubtedly leave the Dragon alone. Also a bunch of weekend wonders who ride only for the thrills. They might put on 4000 miles a year and are hardly competent riders. As one of my favorite actors once said, “A man’s got to know his limits.”. I know mine. All of them. I’m not Kenny Roberts and I’m not pretending to be. Those that ride the Dragon should go to Road Atlanta or Barber instead.

  402. Silver  November 8th

    “YOU were lucky no one was injured except for your pride, it could have been much worse and you could be where Billy is…just without the drunk-driving charge.”

    Ummmm, no. Not really. You see unlike Billy, I practice pretty safe riding as evidenced by this being my first moving accident in over 25 years of riding. No doubt there was some luck involved (it could have been worse) but if anyone was going to be hurt it was me and only me even if I had to ride her straight off the road and into a ravine. I will do anything I can to insure that nobody else is hurt. That’s my responsibility. As I stated previously “I can honestly say I did the best I could to handle the situation to the best of my abilities.”. Obviously that doesn’t mean a lot to you but it does to me. Quite the converse to Billy Lane I might add. After all I don’t drink and drive nor do I pass people in no passing zones in a rush to get home to grab a little drunken tail. But then you don’t see the difference do you ? How sad that you will stand by an accused killer and yet trash those that haven’t harmed anyone. Yep, how truly sad.

  403. gid2get  November 8th

    Lord!!! The sacrifices you must make being so perfect! Well, even the best laid plans can go awry and one day when you think you have your space all to yourself so that you can bend that needle, something or someone may just pop into your perfect little space and BAM!!! You could be in deep doo-doo. Let’s just hope that when it happens, no one is seriously hurt, I doubt you could take the hard time. And I seem to remember you saying you kept your bike in good condition, but hmmmmmm, you still had a blow-out and then the wreck happened. Even the best laid plans…………..

  404. gid2get  November 8th

    Oh! Wait!! Your real name is Jesus and your wife’s is really Mary Magdalene, right? Of course, the perfect couple!!! Please forgive me!

  405. gid2get  November 8th

    You haven’t harmed anyone YET. And dead is dead whether it is because of a drunk driver or one who is so overconfident in himself and his “good intentions” of hurting himself before anyone else. So if you hit someone, no matter how hard you tried to avoid it (some unsuspecting someone could be in that ravine for whatever reason), and he/she dies, they aren’t going to care that you were sober or not……..THEY ARE STILL DEAD!! You are too sanctimonious and as the old saying goes…..Pride goeth before the fall. You have too much pride in your abilities and it could bite you in the butt big time when you least expect it.

  406. gid2get  November 8th

    Oh, and I am not FOR Billy as much as I am AGAINST your sanctimonious attitude that you would NEVER hurt someone else. You CAN’T possibly know what the future and her fates hold in store for you. As for seeing the difference, yes, I do see it. But I also see that if you kill someone while sober,they are still just as dead. Billy is basically a very good person who would never intentionally hurt someone else. He made a very bad decision and it cost someone his life. YOU, sir, can never know what torment goes through Billy’s heart and mind. And as for making excuses, you are very good at that so I have no doubt that if you or someone you know or loved were to cause death or injury to another person, you would make excuses as well. We ALL can say we wouldn’t, but untill we have been there, it is a moot point.

  407. max black crow  November 9th

    like a bunch of old whores,bitch!bitch!bitch!.Leave the poor mother fucker alone.need to worry about your own shit!!!america’s finest finger pointing assholes.He builds one of the best bikes ever!!I’m sure none of you asshole bunk muffins never made a mistake.fuck all you mother fuckers.you should old school up,and mine your own shit!!!!!Billy’s alright mistake or no mistake!!!I said it,and I’m sure in the Hell here to represent it,attack! attack!and re-attack! no retreat no surrender!!deal with it!!

  408. gid2get  November 9th

    I, black max crow, do NOT attack Billy. He is a personal friend and I will stand beside him. I do not have to condone what he did, but I can stand beside him and let him know I am there should he need me. In the eyes of some, like Silver, that makes me a bad person, but I prefer to see it that I am a human being who cares about their friends. I am sure if the roles had been reversed (as Mr. Morelock was intoxicated as well) and Billy had been the one to not survive, Silver would not be making all of the bruha! And you’re right, Billy makes a fine bike.

  409. Silver  November 9th

    “You CAN’T possibly know what the future and her fates hold in store for you.”

    I can’t but I can play the odds. For instance I have a significantly reduced likelihood of having an accident if I don’t drink and drive. Therefore I don’t. And I probably am not going to hit someone head on when driving in their lane if I simply don’t pass people on a double yellow line. Pretty simple isn’t it ? Don’t strain yourself now !

    “And I seem to remember you saying you kept your bike in good condition, but hmmmmmm, you still had a blow-out and then the wreck happened.”

    You’re really reaching ! Whatsamatta ? Tired of bashing my faith ? And of course you are once again incorrect. So sorry ! I had a flat. As stated above “I had a flat on the front tire which deflated very quickly.” A blow-out is a sudden and complete loss of air usually when the sidewall of the tire fails. The resulting decompression of a blowout on a bike would literally slam the bike into a spin. I would have gone down immediately and very, very hard. Also that tire (a Perilli SuperCorsa Pro) had less than 1000 miles on it and retails for around $220. It was undoubtedly one of the best riding tires I’ve ever had the pleasure of using.

    I think I need to clarify one thing. If someone is involved in an accident due to no negligence of their own, then they shouldn’t do time. If you’re riding down the road in your SUV and the right front wheel blows out catapulting your vehicle into oncoming traffic and you hit a car killing all 4 people in it, you still should not do time. THAT is an accident. What Billy Lane did was no accident. It’s called “MURDER”.

    “Billy is basically a very good person who would never intentionally hurt someone else. He made a very bad decision and it cost someone his life.”

    Incorrect as usual. He made a _series_ of bad decisions which culminated in the death of Gerald Morelock. For that he should be tried for murder.

    “And you’re right, Billy makes a fine bike.”

    What can I say but “Yuck !” !! Why anyone would want a chopper is way beyond me. Ugly, handle poorly, unsafe is being kind and generally don’t do anything well.

    “I am sure if the roles had been reversed (as Mr. Morelock was intoxicated as well) and Billy had been the one to not survive, Silver would not be making all of the bruha!”

    Only if he had a record like Billy’s. Only if he had a TV show where millions were watching him be such a shining example of motorcyclists everywhere.

    Keep attacking while you’re trying to defend the indefensible. It’s quite telling.

    “He builds one of the best bikes ever!!I”

    Wouldn’t know a good bike if you were sitting on it, would you ?

  410. gid2get  November 9th

    “I can’t but I can play the odds.” Well, good for you, but living in Las Vegas, I watch people “play the odds” all of the time; eventually those odds catch up to them and no matter how careful they are, or how much they plan, THEY LOSE! Keep thinking you’re infallable, my friend.

    “You’re really reaching ! Whatsamatta ? Tired of bashing my faith ? And of course you are once again incorrect. So sorry ! I had a flat.”
    I don’t have to bash your faith…..you do that pretty well in your judgements and condemnations of others. Real good rep for what your bible supossedly teaches. Sorry, I was wrong again; but flat or blow-out, you still wrecked and were lucky no one was hurt…including you. You make the point that you never drink and drive….well good for you. But how about meds you might one day have to drink and have no idea of how they will affect you? There are many things that can happen to cause accidents while driving. And yes, Billy was drunk and should NOT have been driving, but perhaps it is because he has two kinds of friends…..those who drink and think it will never happen to them anyway, and false friends like you who turn their backs and begin condemning because it is the “right” thing to do because he was wrong and made a bad decision. And besides, those friends are so perfect they would NEVER do anything wrong, they are always prepared and they are always above reproach! Yeah, right. And am I supossed to be impressed that you can afford Perellis? I think not. Even I had them on my Jag, so what?

    “What Billy Lane did was no accident. It’s called “MURDER”.” Yes, it is and no one has ever denied it. But let’s just say as your son become a teenager and let’s say he was a very promising HS football star and now is a very promising colleg football star. He parties with the rest of the team, they spend the night partying and drinking and he leaves to go home. No one, not ANY of his friends stop him from driving and hey, after all, he’s young, great football player with a lot of promise, he is indestructable! So, he gets behind the wheel of his car, even though daddy has told him to never drink and drive, he’s done it before or been with friends when they have and hey, nothing’s happened. It happens to the other guy. Just a scenario, may never happen, but we don’t know that for sure. The fates are fickle and don’t like prideful beings. What I am trying to say is that if Billy weren’t such a high-profile person and this had happened, you would probably never have heard about it and you wouldn’t have a high condemning horse to sit upon in judgement. You just seem to be Hellbent to condemn and hang Billy because you don’t like his bikes, you don’t like that he makes money and is popular, or who knows what reasons you harbor. You are not a good person except in your eyes and those who don’t really see you deep inside. You are an intolerant, unforgiving, judgemental, condemning, labelling, name-calling human being. And there lies the key….whether you like it or not, you are a human being with the same inbred faults we all have. You hide yours behind your religion and the belief you are righteous and work hard to be so. No, you work hard to hide.

    “What can I say but “Yuck !” !! Why anyone would want a chopper is way beyond me. Ugly, handle poorly, unsafe is being kind and generally don’t do anything well.” Again, this is YOUR opinion. If they didn’t appeal to some of us, he wouldn’t be doing so well. Maybe it just takes a skilled biker to be able to handle them, and you aren’t one of those. It is YOUR opinion that they are ugly and as far as unsafe, if someone were to buy one and died or was injured because the bike was unsafe, I am sure we would have heard about it. You want every one to face their faults, but you are so blind and narrowminded (really, open your mind, your brains won’t fall out) you can’t see your own jealousies.

    “Only if he had a record like Billy’s. Only if he had a TV show where millions were watching him be such a shining example of motorcyclists everywhere.” Again a shining example of your vindictive near-sighted, narrow-minded beliefs and jealousies. You don’t know what Mr. Morelock may have done in the past and if he had been the one driving drunk, passing on yellow lines, it wouldn’t have mattered because he isn’t famous. Shame on you!! Taking someone’s life whether you are famous or not is WRONG!!! But as I said, you wouldn’t make such a to-do about it if it hadn’t been someone famous that you dislike.

    “Wouldn’t know a good bike if you were sitting on it, would you ?” Again, your opinion and your assumption. Have been on everything from a chopper to a Cushman. Have been on them since I was 10 years old and love riding in the open air. I don’t judge a bike by who builds it but by the rider who handles it, how it rides and if I like its looks. I am sure you and everyone else out there have their own ways of judging a bike. Who can say their way is the only way to judge what makes a good bike. That’s why there are so many makes, styles and options to choose from……just like in cars!

  411. Silver  November 10th

    “Well, good for you, but living in Las Vegas, I watch people “play the odds” all of the time; eventually those odds catch up to them and no matter how careful they are, or how much they plan, THEY LOSE!”

    Heck, we all die. Can’t live in a safety bubble forever. But if this thread is about anything, it’s about how stupid recklessness combine with amoral living to cost someone their life. Specifically Gerald Morelock. Can we all live 100% safe lives even if we wanted to ? No way ! One wrong kick or punch during practice and your husband might be paralyzed for life or even killed. Does that mean he shouldn’t practice ? Of course not.

    “Keep thinking you’re infallable, my friend.”

    I never said I was infallible. Just careful, respectable and responsible. Attributes which you cannot ascribe to Billy Lane. In fact he has reveled in being the antithesis of those characteristics all of his life.

    “But how about meds you might one day have to drink and have no idea of how they will affect you? There are many things that can happen to cause accidents while driving.”

    You need to be a little more positive. The “what if” scenarios you bring up are for less likely than someone drunk driving or talking on a cell phone while driving and having an accident.

    “Maybe it just takes a skilled biker to be able to handle them, and you aren’t one of those.”

    LOL ! I’m not a skilled biker ? I’ve racked up more miles than the likes of Billy Lane ever will ! I’ve ridden bikes from my Suzuki DS185 and RM125′s to Kawasaki 1300 6 cylinders. But perhaps you’re right. I don’t have what it takes to drive a vehicle that is so completely unsafe to everyone else on the road.

    ” … and as far as unsafe, if someone were to buy one and died or was injured because the bike was unsafe, I am sure we would have heard about it.”

    Just for grins, go pull that video of Billy riding his hawg in the Biker Build-off. Fast forward it to the part where he hit a bump in the road and the front wheel of his bike set sail for over 200 yards . Talk about your “rag doll” in motion ! These bikes are right up there with “monster truck” 4WD’s that were restricted back in the 80′s when they caused too many fatalities. As to not hearing about them, most people believe that bikers are living on the edge anyway so I doubt anyone has taken a serious look at how many bike accidents involved a hawg and what actually happened in that accident. There again most hawg riders are posers anyway. That’s why the vast majority are located in Florida and California.

    “You just seem to be Hellbent to condemn and hang Billy because you don’t like his bikes, you don’t like that he makes money and is popular, or who knows what reasons you harbor.”

    Let’s put them in declining order :

    1) I don’t like how he lives. Such extreme recklessness is the source of so many deaths we couldn’t possibly imagine them all.

    2) I don’t like the fact that he encourages people to think that he’s a biker, which reflects on all motorcyclists, when in fact he’s nothing more than a pathetic poser doing a one-trick pony routine.

    3) I don’t like how he has failed to show any sign of remorse and accept any responsibility for his actions.

    4) I don’t like the fact that some jerk at the Discovery channel chose to put Lane and other twits like him on TV during Prime Time. Of course Discovery channel got a nice little letter about airing that crud as well.

    As previously noted, I could give a care if he makes money selling his POS choppers to people with poor taste and too much money. People like Billy have been selling snake oil for a long time. Heck, look at some of the pop art that sells for millions at Sothebys ! And that’s what Lanes creations really are : pop art.

    “You don’t know what Mr. Morelock may have done in the past and if he had been the one driving drunk, passing on yellow lines, it wouldn’t have mattered because he isn’t famous.”

    Taking things out of context yet again ? That seems to be habit forming. You ought to keep an eye on it.

    Regarding Mr.Morelock, by all accounts he was a decent and good person but even if her were a criminal I wouldn’t play any other tune than having his murderer brought to justice and recognized for person he truly is. A slime ball who panders to the glitterati who want to be “bad” like Billy. Let’s all hope they’ve learned something from his experience.

  412. gid2get  November 10th

    Okay Silver, you’ve made your point. Any thing you dislike or abhor gets your “reasoning” or excuse to back you up. Anyone else who has their reasons for NOT agreeing with you is completely wrong and scum. You use this posting so that you can “brag” about how good and righteous and above everyone else you are. So live in your little “I am above reproace and all others” world. You have a good life (such as it can be with all your excuse-making as to why YOU are so right and everyone else so wrong), but I prefer to believe in people, to believe they can change, to believe that things happen for a reason, and to try to change the laws we have. You always mention how your ideas are so great, but you don’t mention how someone else’s might work as well or even agree with them slightly. All of these “discussions” have only taught me that you think you are so much better than anyone else and anyone who meets with your approval must thing, act and believe in a god YOUR way.

    Have a good life sir, but in my opinion, you are a cause of the problem and not a solution. Your words tell of your hatred and jealousies of other men who have the lime-light even when you don’t. And as for Billy’s bike losing a wheel, well, heck how many pilots did we lose testing planes and jets, how many drivers did we lose testing automobiles, how many riders were lost when motorcycles were first invented, and the list can go on. It isn’t just Billy’s bikes that have problems. I have a friend who bought a new Kawasaki and had it in the shop three times before they had it working correctly….a BRAND NEW BIKE! I also have a friend who bought a brand new Harley Fat Boy (made in the USA) and it had to be replaced because they couldn’t get it to run right. Same with cars, same with just about anything you can buy nowadays. YOU just look for reasons to dislike someone who isn’t like you.

    As for “what if” scenarios? Well you keep that head of yours in the ground and think they could never happen to you. As I said, you are a boasting, prideful man and the fates do not like that type of human. A “what if” might come crashing down on your head big time one day.

    As for Mr. Morelock, by all accounts he was a decent person and you will back him even if he had been at fault because he wasn’t “famous” or well known or builder of bikes that YOU think are worthless. Again a sign of your double standards. As for taking them out of context, I think you protest too much because I have you nailed as a egotistcal, self-righteous, name-calling, condemning, judgemental human being. You seem to think that if someone stands by a friend for support, they condone what that person has done. It doesn’t mean that at all. But perhaps that is the way you believe because that is the way you are…..fairweather friend…..you will stand by a friend only as long as they behave in a manner you deem appropriate and should they make a mistake, they are not your friend any longer. Well, sir, it is YOU who is not the friend.

  413. Silver  November 10th

    “Anyone else who has their reasons for NOT agreeing with you is completely wrong and scum.”

    How did we go from talking about Billy Lane killing G.Morelock to “anyone” ?

    Nobody is above reproach however one has to be guilty of some a significant error in judgment before reproach becomes a public issue. DUI manslaughter cetainly qualifies as does the exceptional treatment that Billy has received to date. Frankly I think the judicial system in Florida is trying to oust California’s as the laughing stock of North America.

    “in my opinion, you are a cause of the problem and not a solution. Your words tell of your hatred and jealousies of other men who have the lime-light even when you don’t.”

    Perhaps you would cite an example ? I’ve worked with numerous stars and starlets and at no time was I ever jealous or hateful. They’re people just like you and I. A little more aggressive in their pursuit of a career but that’s natural as they can fall out of favor, have some physical failure or just simply loose their inspiration very suddenly. I’m all for the successes poured over stars when they have something that is truly valuable to humanity. As long as the cost doesn’t outweigh the return.

    If he and Billy had switchd places, I’d be calling for his immediate trial as well. But then he would have been in jail from day one and certainly would have been convicted by now.

    “I have you nailed as a egotistcal, self-righteous, name-calling, condemning, judgemental human being.”

    Why am I not surprised ?

    “You seem to think that if someone stands by a friend for support, they condone what that person has done. It doesn’t mean that at all.”

    Yes, it does. Also you obviously approved of Billy’s lifestyle prior to the accident or you wouldn’t have been his friend in the first place.

    So …. Did you try to stop him from drinking and driving ? Or were you just too busy blaming the Christian faith for all of the wrongs in the world ?

  414. purplerider  November 10th

    I am still trying to figure out what you mean when you say you should not be a friend with someone who is well known all over the world for being a bike biulder also a masters degree in engering. Once a true friend always a true friend.And yes he did make a bad choice but you never walk away from a friend.I olso do not condone what he did but also will not walk away,Have you never stood by a friend for something thay did wrong,if so im glad where not friends.

  415. gid2get  November 11th

    “How did we go from talking about Billy Lane killing G.Morelock to
    “anyone” ?” Look up some of your other statements in regard to Chloe or your assessment of your sister-in-law with the tattoos, or you remarks about bikers who ride choppers.

    “I’ve worked with numerous stars and
    starlets and at no time was I ever jealous or hateful.” Well, I have only your word for that and your word doesn’t mean much to me.

    I by no means have to agree with everything a friend does. I have many friends that I disagree with, but I am still their friend and would be there for them anytime they need me….even if it just means being there when they receive a sentence. I don’t have to hate them, I’ll leave that up to you and those like you.

    “So …. Did you try to stop him from drinking and driving ?So …. Did you try to stop him from drinking and driving ?” Well, it would have been a little hard for me out here in Vegas to have stopped him from driving while intoxicated. BUT had I been there, yes, I certainly would NOT have let him drive. I don’t blame you for all the wrongs, I blame you for being narrow-minded, judgemental, intolerant, condemning people. Not all, but far too many are like you.

  416. gid2get  November 11th

    Purplerider, Silver can only be friends with someone who is without sin and would never do anything wrong because he has no tolerance for anyone who does wrong or makes a bad choice. I think you are quite correct when you say you wouldn’t want Silver as a friend. I know I certainly wouldn’t, he is not a dependable friend unless you are a perfect person. Have NEVER met any of those!!

  417. Silver  November 11th

    “I am still trying to figure out what you mean when you say you should not be a friend with someone who is well known all over the world for being a bike biulder also a masters degree in engering.”

    Citation ? Don’t believe I ever said that. Can you point out what you’re reading so I can explain it for you ?

    “Once a true friend always a true friend.”

    Generally agreed however time occasionally has a way of changing people and not always for the better. Could I have ever had a true friend in someone like Billy ? Nope. Just one of my little faults I guess (go with it gid2get) but I find vanity to be revolting and Billy Lane is nothing if not vain and ostentatious.

    “And yes he did make a bad choice but you never walk away from a friend.”

    Yes you do. It’s one thing when that friend has acquired a bad habit or two but something else completely when they’ve committed murder.

    “I olso do not condone what he did but also will not walk away,Have you never stood by a friend for something thay did wrong,if so im glad where not friends.”

    Me to. You obviously have not thought through on what grounds your friendships are based. Let’s try an example here.

    Let’s say one of your friends of 25 years invites you over to a New Years Eve party at his home. You and your wife go and are having quite a good time. During the course of the evening your friend needs to run to the grocer for something and it’s only right down the road. You weren’t aware of this however your wife was and she goes along to pickup a couple of things as well. Unbeknownst to your wife, your friend had been doing some drugs which had him even more impaired than just the mixed drinks he had been consuming. You friend, who drives somewhat aggressively anyway, hits the accelerator at a traffic light in hopes of making it through the yellow. Unfortunately he also steers it to the left and clips the front end of a car stopped on the other side of the light. His car careens off to the right and straight into a light poll about 100′ past the intersection. Unfortunately this is one of those concrete based aluminum polls which would stop even a tractor trailer so the car is folded like an accordion. Your wife, who was seated in the passenger seat, is seriously injured and when you arrive at the hospital an hour later you find that she’s in a coma. As time goes on you find out that she suffered so much head trauma that if/when she does revive, she’ll probably have the mentality of a 3 year old at best. Your children, ages 1 and 3, will never know how wonderful a person their mother was other than through storied and videos created in her abbreviated adult life. In the meantime your friend had his license suspended and received fines totaling $1000 plus court costs. He seems very sorry about the whole issue however one year later, with your wife still in a coma, he’s having another New Years Eve party.

    So how do you feel about your true friendship now ?

    Yes, I choose my friends carefully. Unlike Billy I can’t afford not to.

  418. gid2get  November 11th

    What?! Silver using “what ifs” circumstance? I don’t know about purplerider, but I would hope that I could be as forgiving as my brother’s in-laws were when they forgave the man who was driving drunk and killed their son (the driver was also their son’s best friend). That, to me, speaks volumes and so much more of what your bible is supposed to be teaching. They are the true followers of their bible; they practiced tolerance, forgiveness, compassion, etc. It is a good thing your god is willing to forgive ALL sins, isn’t it? What would it be like if you got to the pearly gates and you were told you couldn’t come in because of your inability to forgive?

  419. Silver  November 11th

    “Purplerider, Silver can only be friends with someone who is without sin and would never do anything wrong because he has no tolerance for anyone who does wrong or makes a bad choice”

    Wrong again. Goodness ! You really don’t have a clue do you ? First of all we’re all sinners. That’s a given. Secondly “doing wrong” can be something like mistreating a pet, embezzling from your company or killing someone when they’re drunk. At some point you have to draw the line. Boundaries and direction are what defines us. “I will do this but I won’t do that.” and “I plan on doing something like this.” These two sentences are key. Frankly I’m amazed that we’re even having this discussion as, given your husbands background, one would think you would understand terms like discipline and respect. But then opposites often attract don’t they ?

  420. Silver  November 11th

    “ilver using “what ifs” circumstance? I don’t know about purplerider, but I would hope that I could be as forgiving as my brother’s in-laws were when they forgave the man who was driving drunk and killed their son (the driver was also their son’s best friend).”

    Forgiving is one thing. I wouldn’t number this person as a close friend. That’s the point of the example in case you missed it.

  421. gid2get  November 11th

    I do have respect and discipline, sir. Just none for you. And one wouldn’t expect you to do anything that would involve forgiveness. We don’t know you personally so we can’t follow you and your family over the next 10, 20, 30 or even 40 years to see how well you and your family really turn out. You are like the preachers who demand their children live as they tell them to and then wonder why the kids can’t wait to leave home and find a life. Do as I tell you and not as I once may have done or do. Who knows what you really hide in your life? More to the point, WHO THE HELL CARES!!

    Billy has friends who stand beside him. They don’t say he is innocent, they just say they will not turn their backs on him and to you that is dispicable. You don’t like him, don’t care for his bikes, and hopes he hangs. Well YOU are entitled to your opinion just as we are entitled to ours. That doesn’t make either of us bad, but you seem so eager to label, condemn, and judge not only Billy, but those who are his true friends or are true fans of his. You, I have grown to dislike just from you holier-than-thou attitude, but I would NEVER condemn and judge you as you have Billy were you to ever have the misfortune to be in the same predicament. Yes, I know, YOU would NEVER be in the same situation. But even you should be smart enough to get the idea. Talk about dense!

  422. gid2get  November 11th

    Maybe you wouldn’t count him as a close friend, but Jerry’s family did and Forrester never let them down. He couldn’t bring their son and his best friend back, but he helped them in every way he could and was there any time they needed him. YOU would never be considered a true friend, your standards are too high for us lowly sinners and you would use a bad choice to end the friendship. Nah, don’t want the kind of friendship you would offer. Would rather have purplerider’s, chloe’s and several others on here who seem more honest and forgiving than you.

  423. Silver  November 11th

    “your standards are too high for us lowly sinners”

    Or perhaps yours are just lower than the average persons ? Most people wouldn’t count on someone as a friend if they had killed someone while DUI. Not for anything critical anyway.

    “.. and you would use a bad choice to end the friendship.”

    A bad choice in clothing, dining or careers is one thing but killing someone in a DUI isn’t a single “bad choice”. It’s a series of bad choices starting with ones lifestyle and ending in killing another person. Can’t you see the difference ? Where the differences start ?

    “Nah, don’t want the kind of friendship you would offer.”

    Bummer. And I wouldn’t want a friend that will “forgive and forget” murder.

  424. gid2get  November 11th

    “And I wouldn’t want a friend that will “forgive and forget”
    murder.” Don’t tell me, tell your god you don’t and won’t forgive.

  425. Silver  November 11th

    “I do have respect and discipline, sir.”

    I can tell. It practically exudes from your posts.

    “You are like the preachers who demand their children live as they tell them to and then wonder why the kids can’t wait to leave home and find a life.”

    LOL ! Well we must be doing OK as they’re already quite the socialites and adored by all they meet. What are they going to be doing in 10~15 years ? Hopefully I will have equipped them with the morals necessary for rewarding and respectful life.

    “You don’t like him, don’t care for his bikes, and hopes he hangs.”

    Ummm, yeah ! That’s pretty close to the mark. All except the hanging part. I was thinking more along the lines of a life of community service explaining how stupid he is.

    “but you seem so eager to label, condemn, and judge not only Billy, but those who are his true friends or are true fans of his. ”

    Only if they emulate him and/or condone his lifestyle.

    “but I would NEVER condemn and judge you as you have Billy were you to ever have the misfortune to be in the same predicament.”

    You STILL don’t get it ! It’s just not going to happen. I’m an adult and I am committed to leading a responsible, respectful and considerate life. I will to the best of my ability, promote the same values in my family and in my community.

    “But even you should be smart enough to get the idea. Talk about dense!”

    Evidently. But on one hand you admit that Billy made a choice and is responsible for the consequences and on the other you state that it was simply “misfortune”. This shows that you still do not blame him for the killing of Mr. Morelock.

  426. gid2get  November 11th

    It is you, sir, who just doesn’t get it. There is an old saying that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and you have plenty of good intentions, so let’s just see where yours lead to in the end.

    Blaming Billy wouldn’t do any good. He knows in his heart what he did and how he feels about that. Blaming him won’t get him or countless others the help they need in drinking to excess and driving, blaming does no good to anyone. I will leave the blaming to you as you are so fond of telling us all how great and blameless and adult you are.

  427. Silver  November 11th

    “Don’t tell me, tell your god you don’t and won’t forgive.”

    So you would forgive those that don’t accept responsibility for their actions ? Forgiveness isn’t unconditional as you might know from Matthew 18.

  428. Silver  November 11th

    “There is an old saying that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and you have plenty of good intentions, so let’s just see where yours lead to in the end.”

    Good intentions ? I don’t have a lot. A few perhaps. I prefer simplicity. And when I do exit this world I will have a clear conscious quite unlike Billy Lane.

    “I will leave the blaming to you as you are so fond of telling us all how great and blameless and adult you are.”

    Blaming ? Well I suppose that’s accurate in that he is responsible for the death of Mr. Morelock. So yeah, I blame Billy Lane for the death of Gerald Morelock. I thought that was clear about 2000 lines ago. Perhaps you’s rather blame it on someone or something else but I doubt the police would agree.

  429. gid2get  November 11th

    Tell it to your god. I was always taught that your god forgives ALL sins except that of denying him and his son.

  430. gid2get  November 11th

    You are worse than a nagging wife. Give it up! Billy isn’t the only one who has driven while intoxicated and killed someone. Put as much effort into changing our laws, getting help for those who drink to excess and drive, building vehicles that make it impossible for drivers who are intoxicated to drive (or at least putting apparatus on cars that will prevent it)as you do in condemning, judging and hating Billy Lane. My name is Sandy Miles and I am not ashamed of it or of my being a friend to Billy Lane. I am not ashamed of any of my friends from Eric Lee, Benny Urquidez, Jeff Speakman, Dan Sawyer, Tom T. Hall, Grandpa Jones or any of the other famous and not famous people I know. And I am not ashamed of Billy; ashamed that he made the choice to drink and drive and allowed others perhaps to influence him to do so, but I am not ashamed of him or the bikes he builds. I am ashamed that there is a place where people such as yourself can judge and condemn him because of this and yet not rant against the thousands of others who drink, drive and kill. You quote your bible and use it to YOUR purposes when it suits your needs to do so. And using it against those you disagree with. You haven’t a clue as to what it means to be a compassionate, forgiving human being. If your god forgives all sins, why do you consider yourself above him that you cannot? According to your bible, Billy is your brother the same as Mr. Morelock was.

  431. gid2get  November 11th

    It should be the Sabbath where you are now, Silver. Can you hold your condemning and judgemental tongue on the Sabbath? Just one day that you don’t say anything unkind or bad about anyone including Billy?

  432. Silver  November 11th

    “You haven’t a clue as to what it means to be a compassionate, forgiving human being.”

    Yes, I do. And compassion and forgiveness are two very different things. My compassion for someone might take the form of what is commonly called “tough love”.

    “If your god forgives all sins, why do you consider yourself above him that you cannot?”

    I can forgive the sin when someone accepts their responsibility for it. Until that time I can only pity the person who continues to deny their redemption.

    “It should be the Sabbath where you are now, Silver. Can you hold your condemning and judgemental tongue on the Sabbath? Just one day that you don’t say anything unkind or bad about anyone including Billy?”

    Since when is stating that he murdered someone condemning and judgmental ? He did it ! It’s a fact !

    But I will pray for him. I’ll pray that he receives the guidance he needs to bring this travesty of justice his attorney’s are creating to an end. I’ll pray that he may find the peace that he needs and that he develops into someone that can contribute something good back to society. And I’ll pray that he takes these lessons to heart and helps to prevent others from falling into the same trap that he stumbled into. I doubt any of this is good enough for you however it’s about the best I can do right now.

  433. gid2get  November 11th

    The final judgement is still not YOURS or our courts; it rests with higher powers and that is a judgement he can’t walk away from. However; I believe Billy accepts his guilt. whether he pleads guilty or not guilty in court, I really believe he accepts that guilt deep inside himself where it really counts. Our heart and soul is where our god, belief, or whatever it is we believe in, is kept and it is there that it either makes us a stronger individual or makes us weak and condemning and reckless. I believe he may try running from himself for awhile, but if so, he will learn that we can NEVER run from ourselves or what we have done. I think he will be a better, stronger person in the long run. I think this is a test for him and he will pass. Never to your satisfaction, but I think your judgement is not the one that counts. I would hate to think that every person who has had this type of misfortune in their lives has kept on the same path and not learned a very hard lesson. I have faith in humanity and believe some of those who have been in similar situations, if not most, have turned their lives, as well as others’ lives, around.

    Compassion….Best described as an understanding of the emotional state of another. Check it out in the dictionary. You have no compassion for others unless they meet YOUR criteria.

    Thank you for your prayer for Billy….it is the compassionate and in your case, the Christian thing to do.

  434. Chloe  November 14th

    silver and gid2get you two should be a couple. Sound like a married couple ready for divorce. haha

  435. gid2get  November 14th

    No Chloe, we should not. I believe in Billy and in humanity as a whole. I believe we all make mistakes and deserve to be forgiven. I believe in letting the judicial system handing down judgements and I believe we do need to change laws, find a way to keep intoxicated drivers off the road, and to find help for those who do drink to excess. I try to be compassionate and tolerant and non-judgemental. I think I would not even notice someone such as Silver much less think of him as a person I would have to spend the rest of my life with!! I am too flawed and he is too perfect. Just ask him.

  436. Silver  November 14th

    Chloe – “silver and gid2get you two should be a couple. Sound like a married couple ready for divorce. haha”

    I don’t do divorce. ;>)

    gid2get – “I believe in Billy and in humanity as a whole.”

    As do I. And while I applaud your faith in humanity I would point out that it seems to be rather uneven.

    “I believe we all make mistakes and deserve to be forgiven.”

    As do I.

    “I believe in letting the judicial system handing down judgements and I believe we do need to change laws, find a way to keep intoxicated drivers off the road, and to find help for those who do drink to excess.”

    As do I.

    “I try to be compassionate and tolerant and non-judgemental.”

    As do I but I’ll qualify that by adding that when someone who willfully breaches their responsibilities, and their is no greater responsibility than preventing someones death at your hand, tolerance and compassion are minimized until they have accepted responsibility and been held as completely accountable as humanly possible.

    “I think I would not even notice someone such as Silver much less think of him as a person I would have to spend the rest of my life with!!”

    No doubt. After all I don’t have tattoo’s, dreadlocks, ride choppers and I don’t denigrate women to the status of sex toys.

    “I am too flawed and he is too perfect. Just ask him.”

    We are all flawed. Some a little more deeply than others ;>)

    Our significant difference is personal responsibility. My take is that one who eschews responsibility has little or no respect for humanity and in turn deserves little or no respect. That is not to say that their rights as humans and American citizens should be violated but rather they should not be afforded any liberties or privileges other than those guaranteed by law and available to the most base of people. I concur that the judicial system needs a complete revamp. Unfortunately it’s impossible to do as long as each state is managed by its’ cronies. Yes, I’d rather have one set of cronies in D.C. establishing national laws rather than having city, county and state laws complicating our lives right along with the federal laws. And one of the the first law I would see passed is a DUI test for all parties involved in vehicular accidents with death or serious injury.

  437. gid2get  November 14th

    I think you protest to much and try to point out just how virtuous you are. Wonder what you really hide in your closet, hmmmm…..

    And as for personal responsibility; you have NO idea what Billy feels. Personal….hmmmm. That would mean what he is feeling personally and not what is being told PUBLICLY!
    Unfortunately for Billy, his every move is made public knowledge and that is an even greater burden on him or anyone. You also don’t know what pressures or stress he is under. Now I am not saying that is an excuse for what he did, but some people break under extreme pressures and make bad choices because they think they are escaping for a while. I wouldn’t expect you to understand because YOU would NEVER do or think or say ANYTHING wrong and YOU can handle pressure because you are so virtuous and always think ahead. Sorry the rest of us are so human and not more like yourself.

    And why is it that just because we are friends with Billy, you think that we associate only with people who have dreadlocks, tattoos, etc.? I just don’t condemn others because of what they do with their hair or bodies….it is THEIR hair and body and not mine. I don’t judge them by their speech, their education (or lack thereof) or by where they live, or how they believe. Yeah, I know you think I am a heathen because I call you a bible thumper, but to me a person who uses his bible to suit his circumstances or beliefs and not for those of others, is a biblethumper. Their are many people who are very true to the teachings and try to live by the bible at ALL times in ALL situations and to NEVER judge others. They feel their god will do the judging. I believe there is a higher power, I believe we were LOANED this earth to keep it and protect it for future generations and that we really own nothing…..after all, when we are dead, we can’t take it with us. Yes, we can leave it to others, but it is not ours to take with us. Now, you make fun of me all you wish, but I prefer to be my brother’s keeper in the best manner that I can and I would prefer to try to help or get help for those who need it (excesses of any kind that can either destroy the person or others) than to condemn them and blame it on their being rich, successful, an idol or whatever other reason YOU can find to condemn and judge.

    As for your remark about rather having those cronies in DC making national laws rather than in the states making state laws, where in the heck do you think those cronies in Washington come from? The moon?

  438. Silver  November 14th

    “I think you protest to much and try to point out just how virtuous you are. Wonder what you really hide in your closet, hmmmm…..”

    Heh heh ! Homes as old as ours don’t have closets ;>)

  439. Silver  November 14th

    “… where in the heck do you think those cronies in Washington come from? The moon?”

    No but I’d gladly send them there !
    “To the moon Alice ! To the moon !” ;>)

    In all due seriousness I think one of the problems the American people have is that the legal system is so diffused. We simply have too many courts with too much power spread out all over the country which means too many influences from too many sources such as PAC’s.

  440. gid2get  November 14th

    Yeah, okay you keep it up and convince yourself. Having secrets in closets is a figure of speech. So you joke, and I will still believe you have things to hide whether they are skeletons in a closet or secrets hidden deep inside yourself.

  441. gid2get  November 14th

    Perhaps our country should try using the Constitution instead of trying to give it to other countries to follow. Lead by example…..and that figures in all things. I can not expect another person to be compassionate, tolerant, non-judgemental, in love with my surroundings and with humans and all creatures if I, myself, am not. I cannot expect to help my fellow man if I am so narrow and close-minded that I can see only MY way and MY judgements as correct.

  442. Chloe  November 15th

    silver and gid2get,
    That was just a smart ass joke. You two are writing back and forth and both have written well. Don’t drink and drive period…….Well wishes to you both and God bless. Chloe

  443. gid2get  November 15th

    Thank you, Chloe. Sorry I took it the wrong way, but just don’t want anyone to think that I could be associated with Silver’s narrow minded, tunneled vision way of seeing things.

  444. Silver  November 15th

    Thanks Chloe. I thought your comment was cute ;>)

    And I’m sure we can all agree to disagree to some extent. I certainly understand both views of yours and gid2get’s regarding Billy’s predicament and I applaud your devotion. Also I thank you both for expressing your opinions. There’s nothing quite like a debate to make one re-assess their views on a subject.

    As an aside, I spoke with a couple church members on this issue again. Men that I have a good friendship with and whose views I trust implicitly. The results were astonishing as I was by far the most moderate with regard to what Billy should receive as a sentence. Both of the gents I spoke with stated that a 10 year mandatory jail term was required while I still think a much lower term with concurrent community service would be both more rewarding to the community and to Billy than simply doing time in jail. I’ve changed my opinion on the sentence that I would think is actually fair to :

    2 Years mandatory jail time
    15 years Community Service w/12 hours per week

  445. gid2get  November 15th

    You impress me, Silver. Never thought I’d be saying that! But instead of the 2 yr. jail time, I would rather see offenders put into a program for that length of time where they would get the councel they need and perhaps even dry out and find that they don’t need to drink to access and if they must drink, to have enough sense to know when to stop and to NEVER drive intoxicated. If they should, then they would lose their license for a period of 1 yr. at least. And no, I wouldn’t be turning them lose on the street for 2 years, they would have to stay in the facility 24/7 for their 2-year sentence with the same privileges they would have were they in jail. I just think putting them in jail would serve no purpose and another type of program would help them and perhaps get them off of alcohol altogether plus change their way of thinking about things. While there, they would have to do public service as well such as lawn maintanence for public buildings, janitor duties, speaking in front of AA groups and schools and clubs. Any number of things to try to give back to society. And yes, I do agree with the rest of your “sentence”. Thank you.

  446. Silver  November 15th

    “I just think putting them in jail would serve no purpose … ”

    I tend to agree however I think there has to be some mandatory minimum jail time which would simply be a deterrent against such future behavior.

    As to details on the community service, I really can’t see Billy cutting the lawn but then perhaps he wouldn’t mind maintaining their equipment ;>) Seriously, this has to be specific to the individual and I think Billy has some tremendous PR capabilities.

    Also, I hope he finds a wife when he gets clear of this mess. I think that’s one thing he needs to help him straighten up his life a little and in fact I believe he wouldn’t be in this mess if he wasn’t cruisin’ the bars looking for companionship.

  447. gid2get  November 16th

    I see no reason for “jail time” per se. As long as they are in an institution that allows them only the same (maybe even fewer) privileges that one would have in jail, what is the difference? They wouldn’t be allowed to leave the premises, would have to work in the laundry or cafeteria or maintenance, Be up by 6:00 a.m. and in bed by 9:00 p.m., and all of the other restrictions that most detainees abhor. As for Billy mowing the lawn, it isn’t what he wants to do, it is what he is told to do……that is the point in serving time. The PR capabilities should continue even after he is released….helping others to see what can happen and that the fall is long and hard; especially when you are on top.

    He doesn’t need a wife. He needs to get his own life straightened out and not depend on a wife to keep him straight. Is that what yours is for? I would hope not. Not everyone is meant to marry. I know many guys who date different women and several who date only one…..there hasn’t been a mention of marriage because neither have felt they want to commit just yet. And a couple of the girls say they like things just the way they are without having to answer to someone else or feel guilty for having to leave families and travel for their job. I think too much pressure is put on our society today about the marriage setup. No one should feel they have to get married and have kids by a certain age or feel as if the other person would be a loser if it weren’t for them…..good for one ego, bad for the other. To marry or not to marry is a personal preference of both parties and is no one else’s business. I know when Billy gets his head on straight, he will be a real catch for some girl, but until that happens, would you really want to saddle a woman to a man who has a drinking problem? That would only compound matters not help them. He’d feel as if he had a nag and she would feel resentment.

  448. Chloe  November 16th

    Silver,
    You really don’t know Billy if you did you would know he had a wife and was divorce and she works for him in the front of his shop. They are very good friends. Billy is my friend and had poor judgement. Divorce yes I have had 3 and number 4 is a charm and sole mate. 2 of my ex’s loved to beat me for not giving my paycheck to them when it was needed for bills. 3 is my best friend and is friends with my husband. I have a beatiful child from 4th. We ride don’t drink like 1 and 2. I have a happy life. When you can’t get along then its time to move on. Billy loves his exwife but they live different life styles and are still very close to each other. I will always be his friend no matter what he did. God will forgive him if he asks him to. At least my God will. Peace!!!

  449. gid2get  November 16th

    Very well said, Chloe. It seems as if people marry for the wrong reasons. We females (at least those of us born in the 50s and earler) were taught that the only position a woman has in life is to be married and have children. That is so WRONG!!! People should marry because they are in love with each other and are best friends and want the same things in life. They should be heading for the same agreed-upon destination for their lives. If someone doesn’t marry until they are 50, so what? I have a very good friend who has been married and divorced twice. She is now on number 3 also and he was NEVER married. They were made for each other and are so happy to be together, yet separate. They each have their own time away from each other to do the things they wish to do and it makes their marriage even stronger. There are no set of rules to go by and when people or a church or an organization try setting rules and saying marriage must be this way and a wife must do this and a husband can do that, trouble happens. People should stay out of other people’s lives. We will make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. Unfortunately, some of us have to make the same ones over and over to learn and some never learn. Billy is a great guy and I, like you, would never turn my back on him as I know he would never turn his on me if I made a mistake no matter how bad it was. Billy will learn from this and be a stronger person because of it.

  450. olocac4tliba  November 16th

    acervi

  451. Silver  November 16th

    I’m willing to bet that Billy is a little lonely. Perhaps I’m reading this wrong. Would you mind telling me why he and his first wife divorced ? And the majority of people marry simply as it provides some assurance of solidity and stability in their lives.

  452. purplerider  November 16th

    FIRST of all i am very sure billy is far from lonley physically, mentally and spriitually,I Silver i was just wondering did make and type donation or go help over these past several years oh lets just say for example to 9-11-01 Katrina just to name a couple and if you so did you make sure that it went to someone who has never made a poor choice, think about it you can forgive or at least STOP slamming MY FRIEND better known as the Godfather Billy Lane

  453. Silver  November 16th

    Dude (or dudee as the case my be) please restate your post so we can understand it.

    “known as the Godfather Billy Lane”

    yuck.

  454. gid2get  November 16th

    It is none of our business as to why they divorced. People marry for the wrong reasons and then it ends in divorce. Why stay with someone you don’t love, have nothing in common with, wants different things than you want, or many other reasons? You are virtuous and believe in staying together no matter what. Well, pay for your error if you choose to do so and stay out of other people’s lives and marriages. Gee, some people marry for money, looks, so they aren’t lonely, but whatever the reason, once they face the fact that they aren’t in love with the person they married and shouldn’t continue making each of their lives a mess and decide to divorce, it is THEIR business and none of anyone else’s. YOU look for reasons to dislike people and to get others to agree with you. Not everyone is as narrow-minded and biased as you are.

  455. Silver  November 16th

    Touch a soe spot, did I ?

    “People marry for the wrong reasons and then it ends in divorce. Why stay with someone you don’t love, have nothing in common with, wants different things than you want, or many other reasons?”

    I wouldn’t know. I didn’t marry for the wrong reasons and have never been divorced.

    “You are virtuous and believe in staying together no matter what. Well, pay for your error if you choose to do so and stay out of other people’s lives and marriages.”

    Error ? Of marrying the person I love and commit to working through any adversities that come up along the way ?

    “Gee, some people marry for money, looks, so they aren’t lonely, but whatever the reason, once they face the fact that they aren’t in love with the person they married and shouldn’t continue making each of their lives a mess and decide to divorce”

    Ah ! Kids ! Yes, kids do the stupidest things !

    “YOU look for reasons to dislike people and to get others to agree with you.”

    Actually I look for reasons as to why people do the things they do. Billy “went on the prowl” the night of the accident as it were and I tend to believe that means that he was simply looking to fill a void in his life. Jeez Loise ! It’s not a big stretch of the imagination is it ?

    “Not everyone is as narrow-minded and biased as you are.”

    Nor as intelligent ;>)

  456. gid2get  November 16th

    Purplerider, haven’t you heard? Silver is allowed by his god to judge and condemn others who don’t live their lives or choose their friends as HE sees fit. That is why he judges us because we are friends of Billy and stand by him. We choose to not look at the hair, tattoos, clothing, fame, etc. when choosing our friends and we are human enough to know that everyone (except Silver, of course) makes bad choices and that some of them can lead us down a road we really didn’t want to follow. But with the help of good friends who stand by us and support us, we might just find the right path again. I would rather be a person who looks for the good in others and believe they can make amends than to be one who considers himself so virtuous (whether he admits it or not) that I can’t be anything but condemning or judgemental….which is what I was preached about by my ministers as I was growing up….love they neighbor (not necessarily his acts or deeds) but to love him and be tolerant of him and help him to find the way. Too bad most “Christians” don’t practice ALL they preach in ALL circumstances and have it pertain to ALL people.

  457. Silver  November 16th

    “Purplerider, haven’t you heard? Silver is allowed by his god to judge and condemn others who don’t live their lives or choose their friends as HE sees fit.”

    You seriously need to seek professional help. TTFN.

  458. gid2get  November 16th

    Intelligent?!!! Sorry!! I didn’t know I was conversing with someone on the level of Einstein (who by the way, couldn’t count back simple change) or Bill Gates. Why are you bothering with this site since you are so intelligent that you really don’t need to work because you use your brain? You insult people because they don’t measure up to you. Well, perhaps you don’t measure up to more people than you realize. Most people who feel they are so righteous are also two-faced and would not tell you how they really feel about you. You know how most of us on this post feel about you, but I doubt that your friends at church are as honest. We will never know since most of them are probably as two-faced as you are. You are so righteous and upstanding, we wouldn’t expect you to tell us you made a mistake in marriage. And you don’t have to be a kid to make a mistake when you marry. They are many who have been duped by the person they loved and then swindled out of everything they own and even murdered. So don’t pretend that only those who are truely in love and marry live life happily ever after. And as for your statement that you didn’t marry for the wrong reasons and have never been divorced, good for you…..for now. I once knew a woman who said her husband would never leave her because she took such good care of him in and out of bed and her faith in god kept her true to only him and him to her. Four years later they were divorced because he couldn’t stand her always being right and judging others. But if your wife is as condemning and judgemental as you are, you will have a very long life together and always have someone to judge and talk about as the rest of us aren’t perfect.

    You don’t look for the reasons why people behave as they do, you look to judge and condemn them because to you, they made stupid decisions. You just like to gloat.

  459. gid2get  November 16th

    Oh yeah, Silver. The couple who divorced after her telling everyone he would never leave her? They’d been married for 35 years.

  460. gid2get  November 16th

    Again, YOUR opinion. I am just basing my opinion of you on the way you judge and condemn others who don’t agree with you. Keep telling yourself that it is everyone else who needs help….you’ll stay convinced. I think I would need help if I ever considered you or someone like you as a true friend.

  461. gid2get  November 16th

    Silver, this is just a little internet tidbit going around, but it was sent to me by my daugher. Perhaps you should read it and re-read it. We ALL have worth—-even those you judge and see as unfit. My daughter, too, is very religious, but I am proud of her as she makes no judgement on Billy or anyone else. She tries to understand, to not judge and she prays that those she feels are lost can find the right path again.

    Sometimes we just need to be
    reminded!

    A well-known speaker
    started off his seminar by:

    holding up a $20.00
    bill In the room of 200, he asked, “Who would like this
    $20 bill?”

    Hands started going up.

    He said, “I am going to give this
    $20 to one of you

    but first, let me
    do this.

    He proceeded to crumple up the $20 dollar bill.

    He then asked, “Who
    still wants it?”

    Still the hands
    were up in the air.

    Well, he
    replied, “What if I do this?”

    And he dropped it on the ground and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe.

    He picked it up, now crumpled and dirty.

    “Now, who still wants it?”

    Still the hands went into the air.

    My friends, we have all learned a very valuable lesson.

    No matter what I did to the money, you still wanted it

    because it did not decrease in value.

    It was still worth $20. Many times in our lives,
    we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt
    by the decisions we make and the circumstances that come our way.
    We feel as though we are worthless. But no matter what has happened or what will happen, you will never lose your value. Dirty or clean, crumpled or finely creased, you are still priceless to those who DO LOVE you.

    The worth of our lives comes not in what we do or who we know, but by WHO WE ARE and WHOSE WE ARE.

    You are special – Don’t EVER forget it.”

  462. purplerider  November 16th

    FIRST THING I AM NOT A DUDE OR A DUDET if you have not noteced we all have a name mine happens to be purplerider yours silver others gid2get and so on, what more need i say did you give during 9-11-01, katrena and so many more if so did you make sure it did not go to dirt bags as you call them or did you make sure it went to someone like yourself, A caring.The godfather. the godfather if i need to explain you wouldnt understand.

  463. gid2get  November 16th

    Come on Purplerider, you know Silver would NEVER go against his bible and call people such names as dirtbags, posers, etc.! After all, he is a good Christian and follows his bible, right?
    As for giving to victims of castastrophies, Silver has said that he gives his time and help to people he knows such as the people he gives computers to and repairs and does maintenance for them. Giving to someone he doesn’t know, might go against his grain as a scumbag might get it. Billy was there for us after Katrina as were many others. They didn’t ask if we went to church, believed in a god, drank to excess, caroused around,or had tattoos, wore dredlocks, etc., they saw we needed and it was given with NO strings attached. THOSE ARE THE TRUE GIVERS! People that I assume are just like you, Purple rider, you give when needed.

  464. silver  November 16th

    “did you give during 9-11-01, katrena and so many more if so did you make sure it did not go to dirt bags as you call them”

    Pahetic that such poor reading skills should exist in America today. Truly sad. But then this is why we’re home-schooling isn’t it ?

    “Come on Purplerider, you know Silver would NEVER go against his bible and call people such names as dirtbags, posers, etc.!”

    Oh I’ll call a poser a poser just as I’ll call Dubya an idiot.

    “Billy was there for us after Katrina as were many others.”

    Oh, I didn’t realize that you lived in the New Orleans area that was devastated by Katrina. Sorry to hear that.

  465. gid2get  November 17th

    We didn’t live in New Orleans! We lived in a state that lost more than Louisiana in lives and in property. We lived in Gulfport, MS and there were smaller towns (Bay St. Louis, Ocean Springs, Pass Christian, and Waveland to name just a few) who were completely wiped out! We were hit by a 37′ wave and our neighborhood of four blocks long and inland for four blocks is completely gone! Most people tend to judge the damage by Katrina from the news rather than researching it themselves and mistakenly think that New Orleans was devasted. It was, but to a far lesser extent than areas in MS were. And the French Quarter is up and going again because those cagey Cagins were smart enough to build their town on land ABOVE sea level unlike the founders of the modern day city we call New Orleans. Go to FEMA.gov and when you get to the homepage, look on the right side of the page and you will see a listing of types of disasters. Click on hurricane and then on the right side of that page you will see “related topics”. Go there and click on hurricane pictures. You will get a screen that asks for a disaster #. Type in 1604, Mississippi in the next box and for the date type in 09/05/2005. You will then get all of the pictures that FEMA has on hurricane Katrina. Placing your cursor over each pic tells where it is and the date. You can do the same to compare pics of Louisiana; use the same disaster # and of course, Louisiana. Want to know how one-side and biased news can be? Check it out and become educated.

    Didn’t your mother teach you (and don’t you teach your children) that it is impolite to make fun of someone else’s education or lack of it? Perhaps Purplerider never had the opportunities that you had to receive and education or perhaps he was just so angry at your statements that his thoughts got ahead of his fingers. Our public schools are what we as a society have allowed them to become. For the most part, we put our kids in school because it is the law and we hope they are getting the best education offered (and in some cases, a poor system is the best some have to offer), but we are too busy trying to make a living and keep a roof over our family’s heads, keep them clothed, and keep them fed that we just don’t have the time to teach them ourselves, look at the manners and courtesies of some of our kids. Some of us don’t have enough education ourselves to be able to home-school our children and we are hoping that the school is fullfilling its obligation to our community. My youngest was home-schooled as well because she was too advanced for the school and the school system would not allow her to attend the school in the next town because it was out of state and Indiana would lose the money they were getting for my daughter as long as she was a student in that state. So, yes, she was home-schooled and did so well on her SAT tests that she received a scholarship based on her scores and each year she was at UC, she received a scholarship from the school because of her GPA and because she was on the dean’s list. She worked hard and was one of those rare persons who really enjoys learning and wants to know all there is to know about things that really interest her and to know more about things she doesn’t understand or is unfamiliar with. I got tired of being one of a very few number who really cared about their kid’s education and when changes weren’t made to the system after 6 years of fighting, I put her in home-school. I realize what it can mean when only a few care and wish to change things; it is next to impossible, but again, home-schooling isn’t for everyone. I was fortunate enough to live only five miles from Miami University in Oxford, Ohio and to put Mandi in their summer programs and she was a regular visitor to their King Library and became friends with most of the librarians who helped her quite a lot. We also had friends who were teachers in the Talawanda School system and professors at Miami who would help her and school her. Not everyone is so fortunate. Growing up, I came from a small country school (the same one my daughter attended) and it was much better in the 50s, 60s and 70s than it was when Mandi attended. It is a complicated story, but things happened (I didn’t live in the correct township to attend the school and was sent to the school in the next town…I was 1 3/4 miles from the school I attended for 7 years and 8 miles from the school in Oxford)and when I entered the Oxford schools, I was so far behind in what they were studying that I had to play quite a bit of catch-up. I did and I finished and graduated with an 3.7GPA. I realized how far behind schools from bigger communities (that could afford better teachers and curriculum) that my country school had been. My country school was considered superior to other country schools in Indiana at the time. So, don’t condemn Purplerider for his education; it may or may not be his fault. His education or lack thereof does not make him a bad person, just not as well educated as others or as well spoken perhaps. And again, it could have been he was so upset that his mind was quicker than his fingers. I get that way sometimes myself when ignorance, intolerance and just plain old mean people raise up their ugly heads.

  466. purplerider  November 17th

    Thank you gid2get as for silver I will admit I am not that smartest guy on my block but when mom comes home and says your thhe man of the house at AGE12 YES 12 i WOULD RUN FROM STORE TO STORE help the wise potato chip guy carry in boxes and he would give me 10 bucks a week all that becouse the navy turned there backs on 11 yes 11 SOPS TEAMS better known as the navy seals. Thay took my dad when I was 12. I worked two jobs to put dinner on our table and damm proud of it.english was not my major But as head RN over 2600 others I stand proud. Forgive my spelling oh thats right you cant,so sad.

  467. purplerider  November 17th

    By the way I am the first head RN in the hospital that I work and teach in to be a male and yes i am proud and so is my wife,as a matter fact billy would often comment when we hung out,and yes i am proud.

  468. silver  November 17th

    purplerider – “as for silver I will admit I am not that smartest guy on my block but when mom comes home and says your thhe man of the house at AGE12″

    Some of us can deal with it better than others. Yes, I lost my father at age 10. Since that time I’ve found that I can do anything I put my mind to. From art, literature and sciences to carpentry, computers, motorcycles, cars and many, many other endeavors. I wasn’t gloating when I stated that I am a polymath. It’s just a fact.

    Thanks to all for the conversation. It was enlightening and rewarding however it’s time for me to bow out as the tone has turned far to obtrusive. Adieu.

  469. gid2get  November 17th

    You are quite welcome, Purplerider. As I keep saying, don’t judge others until you’ve walked in their shoes. Maybe Silver needs to try that sometime instead of boasting about all of his virtues. You, purplerider, are to be admired.

  470. gid2get  November 17th

    You should be very proud, purplerider. You accomplished much in the face of adversity and came out on top. Yes, Billy is always ready to recognize what others accomplish and to congratulate them on it.

  471. gid2get  November 17th

    Thrusting out; protruding: an obtrusive rock formation.
    Tending to push self-assertively forward; brash: a spoiled child’s obtrusive behavior.
    Undesirably noticeable: an obtrusive scar.

    Yes, time to bow out as you have become obtrusive, Silver. Notice the second meaning of the word.

  472. chloe  November 18th

    Hey Guys don’t you all know Silver thinks he’s the greatest guy in the world. He pats his own back but really from everything I read he say’s he is the worlds biggest jerk. Oh poor boy lost his dad at age 10 we have men fighting a war and died and they had unborn children. He must think he is the only one that lost a parent at a early age. He is still a Jerk and lives to be a jerk and will die a jerk. Its so sad I can’t help but cry. NOT!!

  473. gid2get  November 18th

    Yes, Chloe, adversity can make us stronger. It is what I keep trying to tell my stepchildren…they lost their mother about 5 years ago when the youngest girl was only 12. I lost my father when I was 12 and I had a cousin who lost hers when she was 10 and, as you say, there are sons and daughters of military men who will never know their father because he was killed in action. Those of us who had a parent die while we were young are at least lucky to have had them that long and to have known them. Some will never know their parent except from a photograph. We should be more glad that we had our fathers for even such a short time rather than telling eveyone how hard we had it and look how great we turned out. My father would tell me that a truely good man doesn’t have to pat himself on the back or “blow his own horn” because if he truely is that good, others will be glad to tell of his deeds. He would tell me it was more important to feel good in my heart know what I had done rather than to boast about it. I tend to think he was correct. What I read into what Silver writes is that he doesn’t get enough attention that he feels he deserves. Perhaps there really is something missing in his life and he just denies it because by denying it, it isn’t true.

    But you, me, purplerider, and the others on here who back and support Billy, will continue to do so. We are human enough to know that anyone could be capable of making a bad choice that could lead to a terrible disaster even though we didn’t mean to or want to.

  474. harley  November 24th

    This could happen to you.Billy lane is ok,I know he would say to you all FUCK YOU

  475. gid2get  November 24th

    No, harley, you don’t know that because some of us on here who defend Billy are personal friends of his.

  476. chloe  November 25th

    Harley NO Billy would not say that he is a nice guy. He might say it to all the bashers but not his friends. And he is my friend and I will be there for him always.

  477. Chloe  December 1st

    Seen a bad crash today 2 croch rockets weving in and out of traffic and speeding one ran into the back of a elderly woman he flew into the air helmet came off shoes off blood all over the road. I feel real sorry for the lady who was stopped at a red light she was very upset. Screwed her car up bad the guy had to be airlifted to Tampa. Real dumb ass but hope he makes it. Poor lady she had to go to the hospital also hope shes ok. Ride safe and do the speed limit. Peace

  478. lavendermoon  December 4th

    I ride motorcycles and to come down so hard on Billy Lane is wrong everyone makes mistakes,and he has made his . But none of you know how he is feeling inside do you? Quilt is something that Billy will live with the rest of his life even if he gets off on the charges.The man has feeling just like you .Not to mention that he is in the public eye all of the time and taking alot of abuse from all angles I know Billy Lane and if you really know the real person and not what you read, you would know that he does care and he has feeling.If he was a nobody that you didn’t know would you be so quick to bash that person I don’t think so. Why would you even care. The only reason that you do is because it is Billy Lane. Thousand of motorcycle riders die every year from a drunk driver do you voice your opinion for them,if you have i sure as hell can’t see that from this web site now can I all I see is all of you bashing someone who has made a bad mistake and is paying for it more then all of you will ever no!

  479. Chloe  December 6th

    lavenermoon not all of us is bashing Billy. Yes I know he feels guilt I bash stupid people dunk or not doing dumb things on bikes. I wish him all my blessings and pray the others out there will live to ride and do it safe.

  480. Chloe  December 11th

    Well the crash I saw the guy died from the injurys he recieved from driving to fast and plain stupidness. To bad he had a family that now has to deal with this and our tax dollars is paying the bill.

  481. Chloe  December 12th

    Well it looks like this site needs to be closed down. Someone has hacked into my e-mails and are sending pure crap to me. Be careful don’t use your real e-mail address. SHUT THIS THING DOWN AND HOPEFULLY THEY DON’T GET INTO YOUR. Ride safe and good luck to you all except the hackers. Goodbye. p.s. I still love Billy and will stand behind him so if you don’t you can kiss my ass.

  482. Jesper  December 12th

    Relax, Chloe. You are subscribing to comments, and someone left a few lame comments here that I deleted. That’s why you saw them in the email, but not on the site. NOTHING HAS BEEN HACKED.

  483. Chloe  December 13th

    Thanks Jesper glad you have our backs. Best wishes for a good holiday. Chloe

  484. Jesper  December 13th

    Absolutely no problem, Chloe. Thanks, You enjoy the holiday as well.

  485. purplerider  December 13th

    I sure hate to see this shut down but i agre that someone is out there is fucking this up for all who whant to send there best wishes and support to billt and others if this goes down good luck to all it’s been real thanks to all.
    Purplerider.

  486. purplerider  December 13th

    Sorry about the spelling did not check before sending.

    Purplerider

  487. Jesper  December 13th

    RUMOR CONTROL HERE ARE THE FACTS.

    Nothing is going to shut down. Someone thought it funny to post a few lame comments posing as Lane, and others. The comments have been deleted and the individual dealt with.

    I read everything posted here. I don’t believe in heavy moderation, but occasionally I moderate away spam and things I find out of place.

    If you have any concerns at all you are more than welcome to email me directly at helmethairblog@gmail.com. I’m happy to assist you the best I can.

    I repeat.
    NOTHING IS BEING SHUT DOWN.
    NOTHING IS HACKED.
    NOTHING IS BEING LEFT UNATTENDED.

    Now please carry on flaming each other, as usual :-)

  488. Silver  December 13th

    “Now please carry on flaming each other, as usual :-)”

    LOL ! That’s rich ! Thanks for putting this forum/blog up and allowing us to post to it. I’m amazed at how divisive this issue is but then I see things in black-&-white rather than the many shades of gray the Billy Worshipers believe is good judgement.

    Merry Christmas to all !

  489. gid2get  December 13th

    I believe it isn’t good judgement to judge others as you do, Silver. I do not worship Billy, I am simply a friend and choose to stand beside my friend as I would any friend who needed support. Doesn’t mean I agree with what he did, doesn’t mean I should judge him, just means being a friend. Support doesn’t just mean agreeing with someone…..support means trying to help them in any way possible so that confidence is gained, the same mistakes aren’t made, better judgement in choosing friends or even paths to take, etc. It is one thing to read a bible (be it the Christian, Muslim, Islamic, whatever) and another to live its teachings. As I recall, your bible says you are to leave judging up to your God.

    Merry Christmas and a very happy and prosperous New Year to everyone.

  490. Silver  December 17th

    I thought I’d let everyone know that ol’ Dreadlocks managed to skate again. Evidently Billy Lane has the same lawyer, Greg Eisenmenger, as another famous Floridian, state Rep. Bob Allen.

    http://www.local6.com/problemsolvers/13664897/detail.html

    In true Florida fashion, it seems that a perv that wants to perform oral sex on men for money is more important than someone killing a biker.

    BTW, I kinda hope that Billy’s lawyers beat the DUI charge so that Billy can stand trial for second degree murder.

    http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/murder_second_degree.html

    “Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable “heat of passion” or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender’s obvious lack of concern for human life.”

    Obviously the second definition applies here.

  491. Chloe  December 20th

    Gid2get You hit the nail right on with the hammer. Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays to all. Ride Safe

  492. Sakeroni  December 23rd

    Good God, who in the hell has the time to read all these posts????? It took me a goddamed hour to scroll down to the end!!!!!!! Gidget and Silver, I hope you are reading this because you are both INSANE!!!!!! Who the Christ has got the time or inclination to do what you two are doing!!!!! How in the crap can you devote so much time to arguing over Billy Lane? Just my two cents, but I think he’s a piece of crap, and I’m not surprised in the least about what he did.

  493. gid2get  December 23rd

    Well, Sakeroni, you are entitled to your opinion, but if it took you so long to read this blog, you must not have had nothing else to do and if it was so boring, why did you continue? No one twisted your arm and you could have switched to another site or gone elsewhere on the net.

    BTW, MERRY CHRISTMAS!

  494. Harley681  December 25th

    This is tragic for everyone involved. People make bad choices everyday. How about praying for them all and let God sort the mess out. Beyond what happens in this world we will all meet our maker someday. This as a Harley rider is every bikers nightmare, to kill a rider and be a rider. I feel for the biker who died, I feel for the biker who made the wrong choice and I feel for the families. God Bless them all.

  495. gid2get  December 25th

    Very well said, Harley861! You are indeed an example of what the Christian peoples are supposed to represent and of the forgiveness they are taught. Merry Christmas to you

  496. gid2get  December 31st

    Gee, Silver, you sound more like a spoiled child who is glad someone else got caught doing something wrong so you can point your finger at them and say how bad THEY are in comparison to you! What a Christian-like attitude to take during one of your holiest of holiday seasons. Good show! Of course, you’re a nobody so none of us who aren’t willing to judge Billy or demand he be hanged, would never know if you would ever be in a situation that demands you stand trial. We have only your “word” and since I don’t know you, your word isn’t worth much to me. I will continue to let the courts, prosecutors, and lawyers handle things and pray that Billy comes through it okay whether he is given jail time, probation, or both and that things will soon get back to as much normality as they can for BOTH Billy and Mr. Morelock’s family. Far be it from me, a mere human with flaws of my own, to judge anyone.

  497. gid2get  December 31st

    My last response was to this one of Silver’s:

    Author: Silver
    Comment:
    I thought I’d let everyone know that ol’ Dreadlocks managed to skate
    again. Evidently Billy Lane has the same lawyer, Greg Eisenmenger, as
    another famous Floridian, state Rep. Bob Allen.

    http://www.local6.com/problemsolvers/13664897/detail.html

    In true Florida fashion, it seems that a perv that wants to perform
    oral sex on men for money is more important than someone killing a biker.

    BTW, I kinda hope that Billy’s lawyers beat the DUI charge so that
    Billy can stand trial for second degree murder.

    http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/murder_second_degree.html

    “Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional
    killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable
    “heat of passion” or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the
    offender’s obvious lack of concern for human life.”

    Obviously the second definition applies here.

  498. Chloe  January 4th

    I believe this is a good website and people can express their feelings on the matter yes if you just started reading it, it does take a long time but if you started when it was put up then you might understand a little more. There has been many bad and good things on here. People are crossing over that rainbow bridge all the time. There have been 4 bikers die this month in my town some at their own bad judgement and some not. From what I have read both Billy and Mr. Morelock had to much to drink and I feel bad for both. I will stand by my friend Billys side like a friend should do. Its a shame it happened and I know Billy feels bad. The Morelocks have got lots of bucks now and I am sure they miss their loved one. Billy has to live with this and he will be ok. Just start loving each and everyone. Ride to live and live to ride just be safe. Watch out for the other guy on the road. Bless all.

  499. Silver  January 8th

    Looks like Bi.lly gets his day in court later today. Letsee if Greg Eisenmenger and/or Kepler Funk can pull another rabbit out of their hat

  500. Chloe  January 9th

    Silver, I hope so. I sure hope you never do anything wrong in your life. You seem to think you are perfect. Wrong no one is perfect but our higher power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  501. Silver  January 10th

    Looks like they did pull another rabbit out of the hat. Evidently it’s time for Eisenmenger to bring in the clowns to testify why the judge should let some lab in Colorado test Billy’s blood. Next session is on Jan. 18th.

  502. gid2get  January 10th

    Well, Silver, look at it this way…..you now have a reason to continue to rant and rave about the injustices of the justice system and the types of defense that those who, unlike you are famous and have money, can buy! You can continue to feel more pious than those of us lowly humans who feel compassion and forgiveness and who are willing to stand beside our friends, not to agree with what they have done or how they plead, but just to be there for them.

  503. Chloe  January 11th

    Silver still name calling hope the rabbits ok and call people clowns You are the one who needs to be in the circus. What do you think about all the other bikers losing their lifes? A wife and husband were riding and a truck who was not paying a mind who was in front of him hit the wife and enbeded her bike in the front of his truck and knocked the husband off the road she is dead. People would not even stop and the ones that did almost got hit. What do you think they should do to him? He was’nt even drinking. The bikers were all lite up so theres no way he could’nt see them. Watch out for the other ones drunk or not. Best wishes to Billy my friend things happen.

  504. dabuddha  January 14th

    I’ver read through the vast ramblings here and can only conclude the following will happen:

    Billy Lane will be judged by a jury of his peers and justice will be served accoringly.

    Billy Lane will pass from this earth as we all will some day and be judged by the Lord accordingly.

    The rest of us may face the Judiciary and the Lord one day and face our own sentences accordingly.

    Silver, you know that the bible tells us not to judge let ye be judged and tattoos don’t make a person bad and not having them don’t make a person good.

    Gidget, you seem to think that because someone is firm in their belief they are some sort of nut or something.

    I’m not thinking that we can all get along but I’m thinking we should sometimes stay away from each other.

    Billy Lane has built some great bikes, most of which I would never ride and I ride over 10 k a year in crappy Jersey traffic over crappy Jersey roads along side crappy Jersey riders. There is good and bad in all of us and it’s likely to manifest itself in all manners at different times in different ways.

    Spend more time with friends and family and less time beating each other up on the web.

  505. gid2get  January 14th

    dabudha, I don’t believe that anyone who stands firm in his convictions is a nut. For the most part I agree with everything you have said and you said it in a better way than I did. I was trying to get that point across to Silver, but he seems to believe everyone who doesn’t cry for Billy’s head is evil as well as those who have tattoos, dress funny (at least to him), or do anything he doesn’t agree with. He is probably, to my way of thinking, the most judgemental and conemning person on this site. He has no compassion or tolerance and that is supposedly what his bible teaches him. Standing by your convictions is one thing, but condemning others for standing by theirs (in this case, standing by Billy) is wrong as well, I would think. No one on this site has said that Billy was right in what he did, they admired his work and said they would stand by him to give him strength, NEVER that he was right. Seems to me that Silver is the one who can’t tell the difference.

  506. kieUK  January 17th

    Luck and best wishes go out to Billy throughout the trial its a horrible thing that’s happened but it wasnt as though Billy set out to purposly kill this guy.When ever you see Billy Lane out in public he cant do enough for his fans he signs autographs and has photos taken for hours on end that is not the actions of a bad person Love and best wishes go out to him from the UK.

  507. mike paahana  January 23rd

    no trash Billy i seen him at 1 car show we had in hawaii he is so rad he can make any kind stuff jus with his hands he is so good he is the man

  508. silver  January 25th

    “.. its a horrible thing that’s happened but it wasnt as though Billy set out to purposly kill this guy.”

    Of course he didn’t specifically intend to kill this guy but take a look at the definition of second degree murder :

    http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/murder_second_degree.html

    “Murder: Second degree

    Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable “heat of passion” or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender’s obvious lack of concern for human life.”

    This is what he should be charged with.

  509. silver  January 25th

    “… he can make any kind stuff jus with his hands”

    License plates ?

  510. silver  January 25th

    “Silver, you know that the bible tells us not to judge let ye be judged”

    This is in reference to hypocrisy. I means do not judge others by rules you wouldn’t want to be judged by.

    “… and tattoos don’t make a person bad and not having them don’t make a person good.”

    Agreed however here’s a quote you might consider :

    Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
    Leviticus 19:28

  511. gid2get  January 25th

    Tattoos have been around since before Christ and since we didn’t live back then and the bible has been translated several hundred thousands of times (sometimes by those who didn’t fully grasp the language they were translating from)who is to say just exactly is meant by anything that is written in the New King James version? Religion……what a wonderful way to keep the people in control. Someone should keep you in control because I just bet you aren’t as lilly white as you would have us believe. David killed Goliath…..and he intended to do so……murder? Goliath was a soldier following his commander’s orders. Yet we make him out the bad guy and Davey the good guy. Why should anyone kill for religion or judge others in the name of religion. Who says YOU are right and everyone else is wrong? The Koran says the Jews are correct, the Quran says the Islams are correct, the Mormon bible says they are correct. As far as I can see, religion promotes hate and intolerance of others. Just my opinion, but you surely can call people names and condemn them for dressing, marking their bodies, drinking, etc. and yet you are the pious one. Why not just leave ALL judgement up to your god…or doesn’t he give you swift enough justice? Besides, what else could you find to harp on if Billy were tried and convicted and in jail now? Yeah, you would make fun of others on here who you think aren’t as well “spoken” as you because intellectually, you believe yourself above others. Do we call you Christ now?

  512. Chloe  January 25th

    Silver gosh I hope your wife children or boyfriend what ever the case may be never gets their ears peirced or nose or bellie button becuz of your way of thinking we are all going to hell. Do they have perms? You don’t care about riding bikes you just want to see that Billy goes to jail. Why don”t you set up your own web page for people who really care about your belivefs. Most of us are sick of reading your stuff. Do you care about all the other dui’s out on the road? Must not you must obsessed with Mr. Billy Lane my friend and you are really boring us. Get out and do something good for mankind.

  513. Heraldo  January 30th

    Billy Lane sux! eom

  514. Biker 79  January 30th

    Do the crime, do the time.
    Let him be judged and we’ll live with the desicion.
    No winners on this one, all losers.
    If you drink alcohol or do drugs and make a bad decision it is yours to live with.
    End of story.
    Now shut up and just wait for the verdict.

  515. Chloe  January 31st

    Biker 79 Well said.

  516. Heraldo  January 31st

    How about you shut up moron! this is public chat, so you stfu!! Billy Lanes going to jail and will be served man mustard on a plate. Hope he likes it raw, he should design a bike in jail called rehab! and chole, your a brownosing retard of this website, get a life you parasite!

  517. Jesper  January 31st

    Whoa! time out.

    Just to clarify. This is not a public chat, in terms of “I can say what ever the heck I want”. It’s a private website where everyone is allowed to join the conversation, and I alone decide when to moderate.

    If you guys want to hide behind aliases throwing names at each other. That’s your decision. But don’t let it get out of hand, there has to be room for everybody here.

    Now, ding! box.

  518. Biker 79  January 31st

    Chloe, I hear you, other than that, hmmmmm, I hear silence. Peace and Love

  519. silver  February 3rd

    Biker 79, waiting is all we can do of course however I don’t think even Billy would pretend that justice is being served by his lawyers delaying tactics.

  520. Chloe  February 3rd

    Heraldo, May God bless you.

  521. Dave  February 8th

    You sycophant’s are a funny breed.
    Just because he’s cool & has silly ink all over makes you side with this selfish, arrogant drunken killer.
    Your about as deep as the ink that permeates his skin.

  522. gid2get  February 8th

    Dave, You are entitled to your opinion just as we are entitled to ours. Personally, Billy is a friend, not someone we have bought merchandise from, but a friend and my husband and I have NO tattoos on our bodies. We give Billy the same support that we give to all of our friends. We don’t have to agree with him, but we do let him know we are there for him. You and Silver group everyone in a category that YOU deem as lowlife just because we happen to be friends with someone you don’t like. Well, you probably have friends that we wouldn’t like, but you are entitled to have them without being scorned or called names. As for being a killer, watch out the next time you get a little careless and drive while under the influence of drugs, alcohol, prescription drugs, etc…..YOU too could become a killer

  523. silver  February 10th

    Dave,

    “.. selfish, arrogant drunken killer.”

    Yep, that about sums Billy up. Irresponsible to the point of being a hazard to humanity at large and not willing to stand up and take ownership on the crimes he knows he has committed.

    Oh well. If he can’t be a man outside of prison I doubt he’ll be one inside either.

    Silver

  524. Heraldo  February 11th

    Oh he’ll be a man on the inside with lots of white gooey man mustard to gluciate his inner feelings, Bubba will take care of him in his new prison cell!

  525. Biker 79  February 12th

    Heraldo, who named you dude, they spelled your name wrong? Don’t be mad at the world because your name is misspelled. Now, like I said, if you mess up, then go to jail. But what I see here is that you are most likely a drunk yourself, judging at how you harass everyone who has a different view than yours. So what makes you better, you go around trying to hurt people just the same, read your comments. If you are not a drunk then you have some serious issues such as anger, hate, homophobia, or you could well be gay, I notice how you keep making comments on male on male sex???
    Heraldo, first get your name fixed, second go to an AA meeting, third go see a psycho therapist, and fourth find you a good man.

  526. Chloe  February 15th

    Biker 79 Your ok in my book that guy needs help or jail himself.

  527. silver  February 17th

    Speaking of tatts, check out the arms on Steven Kazmierczak. I wonder if he rode a Hawg ?

  528. gid2get  February 17th

    Gee, Silver, I wonder what you have wrong with you or on you that you constantly judge others by how they look or the tattoos they have! Having a tattoo, having piercings, dressing strangely, etc. doesn’t make one a bad person. But one must wonder about those who constantly judge and critize others because they are “different” from what that person thinks is normal. In ancient Egypt, tattoos were considered marks of beauty, in some countries peircings are considered marks of beauty and wealth. Only when Christianity and the governing by the churches came into being were such practices considered evil. Next time you and your wife have sexual relations and you enjoy it, remember that the church believes sex is ONLY for continuation and not for enjoyment…..you commit a sin, sir.

  529. silver  February 23rd

    Hmmmm, 3-D tattooing. What a concept !

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23264164#23245144

  530. badboytroy  March 12th

    still can see some of you got no life like chloe what are you a fucking grupy thay need to put the looser in jail to get his butt fucking on and quit wastin tax $ everyone knows dont drink and drive if you do be a man and do the time i can tell billy is no man and heraldo rock on

  531. silver  March 13th

    If I get into trouble with the law, I really hope it’s in Florida ! Judge Allawas allowed the defense to send both vials of blood samples to Rocky Mountain Labs in Colorado for testing even though there is no justification for it. Now after the blood has been in Colorado for 7 weeks they announce that the work still isn’t done yet. By the way, Rocky Mountain Labs site states “Complete E-Report in One Week.”. I think someone needs to check their email !

  532. silver  March 13th

    Just to set the record staight, there appears to be two similarly named labs in Colorado. One is

    Rocky Mountain Instrumental Lab tratories, Inc.
    108 Coronado Ct.
    Ft. Collins, CO 80525
    http://www.rockylab.com/

    which I believe is the one that the defense sent both vials of Billies blood to for testing. The _do_not_ have any info on the turnaround time posted on their site. Still, if the other lab can have electonic copis in 5 days and CDROM versions delivered in 7 days, how does one justify 7 weeks ? Also, in lookin at their site you will note the extremely large number of links to “DUI specialists”. Well over 200. But I’m sure it’s just pure luck that Billy’s lawyer, err I mean doctor, picked this company for the bloodwork.

  533. fang  March 17th

    when is this going to be over????
    I worked with a guy up North, he did the same thing. He was in jail about 6 months later. The guys at work wanted to take a collection for him. I said take 1 for the other family instead. They did nothing wrong.

  534. Chloe  March 17th

    Badboytroy my my are we getting testy. No I am not a groupy just a 51 yr. old biker bitch. Are you nuts? Someone is killed everyday from someone doing a dui not just Billy he’s a friend and I will stand by his side no matter what happens friends do that. I have a great life and thank God for that. I am not bored thats for sure. I check this page every once in a while just to see what jerks like you have to say so you go get a life mines full. Have a nice day before someone like you fucks it up.

  535. S.B. Campbell  March 22nd

    “He who is without sin, cast the first stone”.

  536. gid2get  March 24th

    S. B. Campbell, you said it so well. Better than others on here who have tried to convince us they are such good Christians. Thank you

  537. gid2get  March 25th

    Silver, if you are the good Christian that you claim to be, why don’t you practice what S. B. Campbell does…you know, let he who is without sin cast the first stone? I doubt that you, like most of us, are without some type of wrongdoing somewhere in our past or present. After all, NONE of us are perfect even though you wish to think that you and yours are.

  538. Silver  April 4th

    I note that Choppers Inc. is completely cleared out now. Also, it appears that Billy Lane doesn’t feel the need to pay his bills anymore.

    http://www.mikeodom.name/2008/03/06/more-delays-in-the-billy-lane-trial

  539. gid2get  April 4th

    Gee Silver, do you have nothing better to do in your life than to worry about what is going on in Billy’s? Perhaps your wife should get a tattoo so that you can pay as much attention to her as you do to Billy.

  540. Chloe  April 7th

    I agree gid2get this silver must not have anything better to do. He should start digging into other dui’s or smell the roses or go find something to do.

  541. badboytroy  April 7th

    maybe silver just dont wont billy to go out and kill someone again and if one of my frinds did the same thing i would suport him by sending money to him in prison for smokes fuck poeple that drink and drive and then killll be a man billy and do your time and quit wasting tax money and for gods sake pay your frinds you may need them soon

  542. gid2get  April 7th

    badboytroy,

    You said “maybe silver just dont wont billy to go out and kill someone again” and I am sure that is true as it is true for most of us. Billy was in the spotlight and should have set a better example. BUT, just as with most people who get too much too soon, it sometimes causes us to behave recklessly. Now that isn’t an excuse, but it happens to many more than we like to think about. Silver harps on Billy and none of the other countless drunk drivers who have killed while driving drunk. BOTH parties in this case were in the wrong…..the victim was also drunk and should not have been on the road, not just Billy. BOTH were wrong and unfortunately, Mr. Morelock paid the ultimate price. And if most of the Billy haters on here really looked deep in their hearts, I believe they would find that it is jealousy of someone who happend to attain fame and fortune that causes most of their hate. But then, if you can point a finger at others and keep things stirred up, fingers aren’t pointing your way. Besides, Billy’s name is known and most of the rest of us are using a “screen name”, but for the record, Mine is Sandy Miles. I will continue to stand behind Billy and pray that something right comes out of this tragedy. It doesn’t mean I agree with what Billy did, does, or will do concerning this case. It means he is a friend and I will not turn from him any more than if he were my son. He is paying every day because of this incident in ways most of us will never understand. But it is easier to condemn than to forgive; and this seems to be the case for those who want to present themselves as upstanding, never do wrong Christians.

  543. Silver  April 26th

    gid2get, the fact is that if this had happened to anyone other than a celeb like BL, we’d have been in jail long ago. Billy’s buying off the judicial system as long as he has a dollar to spend rather than face his own responsibility.

  544. POPPA-J  April 28th

    My biggest problem with this whole
    situation,, aside from the loss of
    life is that a biker was killed by
    another biker driving a truck and
    intoxicated.. being a dedicated
    biker myself it just dosent sit
    right with me..When i ride my
    harley I have the utmost respect
    for the 4 wheeled vehicles around
    me and when I’m driving my truck
    I am always thinking like a biker.
    and i give them the utmost respect as well.. when i herd what Billy did i
    was shocked as I guess I figuered
    that being a biker, He wouldnt have
    let this happen.. Thats just my 02
    It is my hope that a big lesson will
    be learned about driking and driving.

  545. Chloe  May 3rd

    Well some things just happen. I let a friend ride my bike with my Husband riding behind him. My friend has parkingsons and took a right turn and hit a van head on. Friends ok but bike is totaled. It was givin to me by my best friend who died from kidney failure beautiful 97 Heritage Solftail. It hurts to lose the bike but thank God my friend is ok. Guess I won’t let anyone ride my new one I plan to get. Ride safe ya’ll.

  546. nitro  May 4th

    everyone needs to take a chill pill i have known billy seince i was little. what he did was wrong we can all agree on that right.

    sayin shit like “.. selfish, arrogant drunken killer.” or “Oh he’ll be a man on the inside with lots of white gooey man mustard to gluciate his inner feelings, Bubba will take care of him in his new prison cell!”

    what the hell are you trying to prove that you are sick in the head”
    and silver it wouldent be second degree murder it would be involentary manslaughter

    Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony (such as DUI). The usual distinction from voluntary manslaughter is that involuntary manslaughter (sometimes called “criminally negligent homicide”) is a crime in which the victim’s death is unintended.

    also the truth is that billy messed up but contradicting him does not change a thing
    also some of the other facts are that the man on the moped that he hit, god rest his soul was also over the limit.
    calling nams doesnt solve anything

    but on the other hand they are right that he fucked up. so you should not blindly be supporting him.

    that is all i have to say god bless all and billy your in y prayers

  547. Silver  May 6th

    As previously posted :

    http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/murder_second_degree.html

    Murder: Second degree

    Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable heat of passion or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender’s obvious lack of concern for human life.

    This is what he should be charged with.

  548. JJ  May 31st

    “So sayith the Silver”

    We will get this right over to the prosecutors office… I am sure they have been waiting for this piece of information.

  549. silver  June 4th

    Probably not. They’re too busy dancing with Lane’s lawyers to bother pursuing justice.

  550. Chloe  June 6th

    Some of you people are just plain nuts. Someone is killed by a drunkin driver every 30 minutes Its wrong but friends stand by friends. You think I should sue my friend that totaled my bike NOT it happened I am thankful to God my friend just got a few stiches and was real lucky. It hurts losing my bike but who cares. I’ll just ride on husbands bike and watch out for other drivers I pray everything turns out ok for Billy he has to live with what happened and I will stand by his side.Hope you guys and gals ride safe and quit being butt heads over Billy. Love and Peace to all of you. Love Chloe Strelow and I do not hide under fake names 352-382-1135 ya got it now.

  551. gid2get  June 7th

    He did a stupid thing and to you it may seem a stupid lack of concern for human life, but it will be up to the judge and jury to make that final determination, not me, or anyone else on here including you, Silver.

  552. gid2get  June 7th

    Oh, and Silver, you could also say that Mr. Morelock had a stupid lack of concern by also riding while over the limit. If it had be he who had killed someone, let’s say a small child, would you still be as outraged? Operating ANY kind of machinery while intoxicated even just a little is stupid for ANYONE to do. But many of us do it without thinking because we feel we haven’t had that much to drink. No, I don’t drink and when I am around friends who do, I take them home and I am sorry Billy didn’t have anyone to do that for him, or to at least have taken his keys from him.

  553. silver  June 17th

    Another reprieve. Looks to be another 3 months in Floridas pathetic state of a so-called judicial system.

  554. Chloe  August 7th

    Silver you call our State of Florida pathetic try living in TN. My family lives there and thats pathetic. FL. is the Sunshine State please don’t come to visit we don’t want people like you here. We are country folk and love our brothers and sisters. Peace

  555. silver  August 22nd

    Yes, Florida is pathetic. Don’t worry, my last visit was in attending a wedding in Destin. You’d have to pay me real money to visit that place.

  556. lawman  August 22nd

    still the same losers on here time after time he is a DRUNKEN KILLER AND NEEDS TO BE PUT IN PRISON WHAT SHOULD YOU DO GIVE HIM A MEDALE OR SAY GOOD JOB YOU POEPLE THAT CALL YOU SELF FRINDS MUST BE RETARDED H FUCKIN KILLED SOMEONE DRIVEN DRUNK YOU GO TO JAIL FOR THAT AND WHEN YOU TRY AND FIGHT IT YOU ARE A PUSS AND CANT MAN UP TO YOUR FUCK UP AND SO FARE THE BIKE SHOPE WHENT OUT OF BISS BECOUSE THE POEPLE KNOW HE SUX AND WILL BE SUCKING DICK HE IS A KILLER AND FOR HIS SUPORTER YOUR JUST AS BIG OF A LOOSER AS HE IS I WOULD BE ASHAMD TO HAVE A FRIEND THAT DID THIS YOU POEPLE ARE A PORE EXAMPLE FOR THE U.S.A I HOPE THAY HANG HIM LIKE HUSAIN

  557. Chloe  August 23rd

    Silver you did’nt go to The real florida where the country is you when to Destin you need lots of money there. Get your butt in the nature of our nature rivers spings farms over rolling hills not the so so great Fl. You could’nt pay to go to Disney or the big money hungrey money places here. Ride safe and Mr. Lawman maybe you need to catch your breath and smell the roses or get on some chill pills.

  558. gid2get  August 24th

    Lawman, I hope you aren’t a real lawman because you sound like a vigilante who takes the law into his own hands and uses his badge as an excuse to do it. You and silver sound so strongly in opposition to those who have done wrong, that I sometimes must wonder what you have done and just haven’t been caught yet. We all have broken laws at one time or another and we just don’t want anyone to think bad of us so we don’t let it be known. Billy just happened to be a celebrity, so the world knew all about his fall from grace. Silver says he isn’t perfect and he proves it every time he says he is a Christian and then name-calls on here. If you are a lawman, help us change the laws. Name-calling isn’t the way. It was an accident and BOTH parties were wrong for being on the streets while intoxicated; one paid with his life and the other has to live with what he did for the rest of his life. I know Billy well enough to know he is haunted by what happend and probably has dreams about it. It is over; if you don’t like the outcome, work to change the laws, but don’t call a state pathetic or belittle its citizens. EVERY state has their flaws and their flawed citizens.

  559. gid2get  August 24th

    BTW, lawman, I doubt you are an officer of the law as your spelling is atrocious! Oh, yes, that means exceptionally bad.

  560. lawman  August 24th

    say what you will billy is still a fucking drunkin killer killer and all of you that suport a killer are fucking ass holes and if all you can do as critasis my speling I dont give a fuuuuuuck its better then being a killer billy is a pussy as biotch and needs to do his time like a man ooo that right hes a biotch there is a law that you go to jail if you drive and kill and for those of you that think he should get away with this crime I do hope you get killed by a drunk driver the world would be better with out you and yes I may have bad spelling but I do make a shit load of $$$$$ so I dont give a fuck and no I am not a cop if I was it would be safer

  561. gid2get  August 24th

    Lawman, you are a real piece of work to wish someone dead because they disagree with you. I have NEVER said that Billy shouldn’t pay for what happened. We have laws and they should be enforced no matter who breaks them and Billy will pay twice because he is the type of person that he will live with and regret his decision to drive while intoxicated for the rest of his life and he will also live with the nightmare of the result for the rest of his life along with whatever the judge and jury hands down as sentence for him. Just because you dislike someone, you should NEVER wish them dead or wish someone else, whom you know nothing about, dead because they disagree with you. We haven’t come very far from our barbarian ways if there are many out there who think such as you. Just think, it could be you or someone you know who might be in the same place as Billy some day. Should we all wish you, or them dead? I think not. What does how much you make have to do with anything? If you make so much, use it to further your education if you have the nerve to do something other than judge others and call people names. And if you were a cop, I believe we would all be a lot LESS safe! You would be too willing to commit vigilante justice without finding out the facts first!

  562. SILVER  September 18th

    “Just think, it could be you or someone you know who might be in the same place as Billy some day.”

    Only if you choose to engage in that behaviour ! To deny the choice is to deny responsibilty.

  563. gid2get  September 18th

    Well said, Silver, it could be YOU or someone YOU know. Oh wait! I forgot! You’re so righteous it would NEVER happen to YOU!!!!!

  564. Chloe  September 18th

    Oh my gosh Silver do anything wrong? He is a angel nothing bad will ever happen to him. He is just a nut case and doesn’t have true friends, and if by chance he does will they stand by his side?????? Try to worry about all the other drunks killing our brothers and sisters. You pick on one man.. You are sick!!!!!!!!!!!! Live to Ride and Ride to live. I think God picks your time to live on this earth and he takes care of his children in his way. God pick the time to call Mr,Morelock home not Billy. He will have to get forgiveness from God which I am sure he has. Silver like I said before Mr. Angel get a life.

  565. lawman  September 22nd

    ok we have laws becouse of dum fuckin poeple cant see right from rong and gid2get if you disagre with me that billy should go to prison you are one of the dum fuckers that make bad dissions ooo I know billy he should not go to prison hes a good guy that just was drinking and driving again and run a man over with a truck all he did was kill a man no big deal FUCK YOU ANYONE THAT DID THIS SHOULD FRY and gid2get you are a fuckin moreon you are one of the dum fucks y we all need laws for billy is a pussy that can do the time for the crime he did and when I see that I see a man that should be in jail for a long time billy my be sorry hes sorry that he might go to jail not sorry what he did and for what all the shit he has did to poepl since this has happind he is a punk as fuckin dick and he is going to prisonfor a long time and if he dont the poeple will get him he will be safer in jail get it bioch

  566. gid2get  September 22nd

    WOW!! For someone who can’t spell or put a complete sentence together, you do get the message across that you are a vigilante and will take the law into your own hands. And no, I am not a moron. I just happen to believe we should stand behind our laws and if we don’t like them, then we should go about changing them in a correct manner rather than taking the law into our own hands. THAT kind of thinking went out with the old west, although there are still MORONS who still believe in those old antiquated ways. You get off on calling people names; I am sorry for you that it is such language and behavior that makes you feel as if you are a man……..you are not, just a bully who needs to hide behind vigilante ways and foul language to feel important. And should you want to come here to my face and call me a bitch and a few of your other names, let me know, I will tell you where I live. You just don’t listen. I have NEVER said Billy shouldn’t do any time that is handed down to him in a court of law. And because he is famous and you aren’t, you condemn him. You do realize don’t you that Mr. Morelock was also intoxicated and could have killed someone as well. He didn’t, Billy did and is well known so he is put on front page news. Had it been Mr. Morelock, no one but those in the Melborne beach area would have heard about it and all of this wouldn’t be going on. I hope you never “accidentally” kill or injure someone, you may just get a taste of your own vigilante justice.

  567. cops  September 22nd

    $$$$ and fame have cep’d billy out so far and with all the info out there that tell you that you should not drink and drive and then you try and pretect them with bullshit your a moron and just becouse you cant spell lawman so what.And when you drink and then drive on top of recles driving on top of you already had a dui your a dum fuck poeple like billy are y we got all these laws he should man up and get his time going so he will have some life left in him when and if he gets out.He is wasting ower tax $$$

  568. silver  October 3rd

    I’ve always thought that felons should also be billed for the cost of their trial.

  569. Chloe  October 4th

    Silver where are all the poor unwhealthy felons going to get their money? You bashers are sick. Pick on one guy why not the rest of the drunks on the road? Very disapointing oh I forgot you are perfect and have never done anything wrong in your life. Get over it and let the courts do their jobs. Peace I will pray for your bitterness in the world.

  570. silver  October 8th

    “where are all the poor unwhealthy felons going to get their money?”

    Most of the rehab programs in prisons actually pay the prisoners a small wage for their labors. That’s how they afford cigarettes and such.

    As to the courts doing their job, yeah, they’ve been doing a swell job so far !

  571. mike  November 16th

    Fact is that this happens every day to a bunch of people that nobody ever knows their name except for the people involved. Anyone who would get on this site and bash this person for what he did had also better spend every ensuing moment of the rest of thier lives on every other blog bashing every other person that drove drunk and killed someone. The courts handle this stuff wether the offender be famous or unknknown. Most of you only care because he has money and you do not. the rest of the Billy bashers are hipocratic busy bodies with out enough motivation in life to actually do anything other than bash people that they have no clue about. The courts handle this stuff not morons with pitchforks and torches. One sin is as good as another, let the person without blame cast the first stone otherwise shut the f*** up and leave it to the courts.

  572. gid2get  November 16th

    Very well said, Mike. As I have said so many times before, it Billy didn’t have fame and fortune, it would never be mentioned on here; especially had the results been the other way around as both parties, Bill and Mr. Moreland, were drinking and NEITHER should have been on the road!

  573. Brent E White  February 26th

    billy lane made a mistake,let it go all you perfect ass holes.i would say 99% of the people on this site have almost been where billy is today and ownly by the grace of god we did not end up the same way.as a former marine and viet nam vet i did some crazy ass shit.so forgive and move on it was a mistake.he did not beat,shoot,knife anybody.GOOD LUCK BILLY LANE AND FAMILY

  574. Chloe  February 28th

    Well spoken Brent. I love Billy and his family and they are in my prayers as well as all of you Peace and Love goes a long way.

  575. Brent E White  February 28th

    Chloe,you have proven to me biker gals are the best women around.thank you for your common sence views about BILLY LANE. SEMPER FI

  576. Chloe  March 3rd

    Thank you Chloe

  577. lost  April 9th

    yes i think lane was wrong but honestly im sure every one of you have drove even after one beer. its not like he ment to do it on purpose. im not sticking up for him but think about it… honestly

  578. be a man  May 29th

    we all know the law if you do the crime do the time the fucking pussy did the crime YES IT IS A CRIME TO DRINK AND DRIVE AND THEN TO CRASH PASSING IN A NO PASSING ZONE AND KILLD A MAN OOOOOOOOO YA HE DID NOTHING WRONG WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME THIS JUST SHOWS YOU HOW MENNY FUCKINF STUPPED POEPLE ARE IN THE USA.TO BE A BIKER AND RUN LIKE A BICTH OOOOO I AM SO SORRY.YA EVERY ONE IS ALLWAYS SORRY WHEN THAY ARE GOING TO JAIL HE IS JUST SORRY HE MIGHT LOSS HIS FREEDOM THATS ALL I KNOW REAL BIKERS MOST HAVE BEEN IN THE PEN AND YES I HAVE TO I DID THE CRIME AND THE TIME AND GOT ON WITH MY LIFE NOT DRAG IT ON AND ON FUCK THAT BICTH RUN BILLY RUN WE WILL GET YOU ITS POEPLE LIKE HIM THAT FUCK IT UP FOR ALL OF US.AND WHEN YOU GET TO IT BILLY KILD A MAN NOT THE EATHER WAY AROUND.AND FOR ALL OF YOU THAT THINKS HE SHOULD JUST GET A PAT ON THE BACK AND GO FREE YOU MUST BE FUCKING RETARTED AND IF YOU LIKE TO FUCK WITH ME ABOUT MY SPELLING OR ANYTHING GET A LIFE IF YOU LOVE BILLY SO MUTCH GO DO HIS TIME FOR HIM I BET MOST OF YOU WOULD RUN LIKE A BITCH BILLY
    HE IS A DRUNKIN LOSSER AND IT IS CATCHING UP TO HIM NOW AND SHOWS WHAT A BITCH HE IS.BIKER HAHAHA A REAL BIKER WOULD DO THAT TIME STANDING ON HIS HEAD BIOTCHIS I WILL BE IN Vegas for the ufc july 8 14 if you would like me to beat the fuck out of you billy fans bring it talk is cheap so if you come back on here and talk smack to and dont show up to my face you are just like biotch billy
    thats his new name

  579. Brent E White  June 3rd

    BE A MAN, no one has to show up in vega’s to whip your ass. you sound like your ass has been kicked plenty.be careful what you wish for dope.

  580. be a man  June 3rd

    no i have had my ass beat and shook the hands that did i did not run and hide lick bitch billy is. most of you are saying its ok to drink and drive and we will just slap you on the rist and say you can go home FUCK THAT SHIT YOU DRINK AND DRIVE MORE THEN 1 TIME GETTING A DUI AND THEN KILL A MAN OOOO AND THEN SAY HE WAS DRINKING TO OK WHAT IF HE KILLED BILL YOU ALL WOULD HANG HIM BECOUSE BILLY IS FAMMIS WELL FUCK THAT FUCK BILLY, A REAL BIKER AND YES YOU WANABE HARD CORE BIKER’S A REAL ONE HAS BEEN TO THE PEN BEFOR AND DID NOT WAST $$$$$$$ TRYING TO RUN AND SAY WELL YOU DID NOT SEND THIS TO A LAB AND BLA BLA BLA HE WAS NOT A TO GOOD OR HE WOULD HAVE SOLD MORE BIKE THEN OCC OR JESSY FUCK BILLY SOULD HAVE HAD MOST HIS TIME IN BY NOW HE WILL GO TO PRISSON AND THE OLDER HE IS BUMMER FOR HIM MOST POEPLE KNOW NOT TO DRINK AND DRIVE DDDDDAAAAAAAA HE MAD A VERY BAD CHOUYCE IT SUCKS THAY DONT SAY.DONT DO THE CRIME IF YOU CANT DO THE TIME FOR NO REASON GET IT OVER WITH DONT TRY AND GET OVER ON THE POEPLE FOR TEKNICKCAL SHIT POEPLE THAT GO TO CORT WITH THAT SHIT ARE USALY BAD POEPLE U MUST KNOW THAT IF NOT YOU ARE JUST AS FUCKED UP LIKE BILLY AND YOUR TIME WILL COME.

  581. chloe  June 24th

    be a man
    hey dude i think you might need to bang your head into a concrete wall something is really wrong with you. you made my day i can’t believe what a nut you are ha ha ha unreal ha ha ha. ya might see a doctor before you try to ride you have too much anger to be on the roads. Live to Ride and Ride to Live be safe all you brothers and sisters that are for real and peace.

  582. be a man  June 24th

    anger yes I am when I see so meny dum poeple every one is sorry when thay know that there going to loos there freedom.you reep what you sow.y did he cut his mop of his head.so he wouldnt look like a looser so mutch but he still is and cloe you are more then likely a drunk like billy.and I still have my vw bus with flowers on it we dont drink and drive we smoke pot you dum fuck and we think poeple should do there time but hope paece will be with you cloe go back to school and lern a thing or 2 billy would have more $$$$$ if he did not try and bitch out of what he did the fucker was drunk and trying to show of for a girl and kild a man.for the age billy is I would say that man is a looser.and just like oj god WILL GET HIM.and for cloe I would like to see what you look like I have never seen the devl befor and I think you are or you are billy with this fake name sticking up for your sorry ass any way if he was so good y is he hiding.and cloe you problly look like a fat bitch with saggy nasty tits and stop being a billy groopy get a life and a real man if you can billys time is gone he fucked it up on his own cry and run you bitch and all you PUT DOWN THE RUM YOU BUM you dont need to drink to have fun

  583. Chloe  June 28th

    Dear Mr. Want to be a man,l I have been riding harleys for 38 yrs. I don’t drink which is legal I don’t smoke pot and have a great life with a good man who does not drink or some pot by the way that will put your sorry ass in jail. I have a 14yr. old daughter I am not a fat bitch and love my life. Have you ever read a newspaper and seen what all the other drunks on the road are doing? My name is Chloe. If you can run a computer there is a spell check on them because your notes sound like you are a small child. You must be short and really stupied. Go ahead and smoke your pot and drive but becarefull you don’t fall asleep and kill someone. You really are funny and the real bikers are laughing also at you being so stupied. I ride with EMT’S Lawyers, Police, and real nice people who would love to catch you with your POT. We love to ride. And both partys involved were drunk with this lawsuit I think you need a hobby or something. Anyone out there agree with me? Ride safe and watch out for the potheads and what other drugs they may be on. And Be a man grow up and live in the real world. Peace and Love and ride safe theres a pothead riding or wishing he could. Chloe

  584. Chloe  June 28th

    Hey Brent you are right be a man is a dope but you forgot head hes a pothead” Peace my brother.

  585. Brent E White  July 9th

    CHLOE,even spell check could’nt help be a man he’s so stupid they can not figure out what he is trying to say.there is nothing between the ear’s.but he can do us all a favor by putting his hand’s around his neck and squeeze until no air come’s out.chloe if he would read your post with a clear head he would relize your a smart caring understanding strong and forgiving women that stand’s by family and friend’s.but ‘be a man ‘is to far gone. chloe ride safe

  586. Chloe  July 14th

    Brent all I can say is you are ok in my book of brothers. Your comment about him is right on take care and ride safe.

  587. ftw  July 19th

    im from the uk and it seems to be a human faw to kick people when they are down it happens here too but you people should get a life who gives a fuck what you think

  588. Brent E White  July 20th

    ftw, your from the uk you have nothing to say. that’s what i think STUPID. learn how to spell.

  589. judy  July 30th

    is there a address to send billy lane ,cards or letters?

  590. fuck billy  July 30th

    bla bla bla all you sick fucks sorry did not kill a man billy driven with no driver lisen and passing in a no passin and drinking sounds like a stupped mother fucker and all of you that are sticking up and say he is sorry just show the world how menny stupped poeple live in the usa shit i sould go drink and kill someone if i wont get in truble if i just say i am sorry fuck that and all you should be shoot for even thinking he should do no time billy is a fucking loooooooooserrrrrr and what he did shows it so all you groopys are more then likely like him loooooser i would be ashamed to have a frind that did this shit thats right.and i dont see anyone takeing the blame for him.just like mike vik did his time like a man and now hes out and getting on with his life but whight boy billy trying to run and hide what a bitch AND BE A MAN PUFF PUFF PASS DONT SEE NO ONE GETTING DUI’S SMOKEING GRASS AND HOPE CHLOE GETS HIT BY A MACK TRUCK LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO FUCKING BIOTCH

  591. Jesper  July 30th

    I’m closing comments on this post. Seems the discussion is going no where.

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